Editing Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the [[Forum:Smash Arena|Smash Arena]]. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. '''''New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page'''''. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

=Rules=
===Posting suggestions===
*Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
*If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
*[[SmashWiki:Smash Arena#History|Check this list]] to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred '''100 or more rounds ago'''. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
*Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post '''one suggestion per week''' (i.e. one every seven days).
*'''Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and a # in front of it''' (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Place new suggestions at '''the bottom''' of the page.
*You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
*Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

===Voting and comments===
*Don't vote on your own suggestion.
*Post '''why''' you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
*The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
*Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
*'''Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself.''' This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

===Acceptance or rejection===
*'''The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights.''' Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
*Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
*Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
**In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
*If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
*Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

=Tips=
*In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
*Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
*While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
*Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
*The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

=Queue=
The current queue is as such:
{{SA Queue}}
Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

=Show Your Support=
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=Template=
To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:
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==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===
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=Suggestions=

==[[Classic Mode]] vs. [[All-Star Mode]]==

The two single-player modes that have appeared in both [[Melee]] and [[Brawl]]. Which campaign succeeds in conquering solo? [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 10:20, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
# I don't think we had a match involving gameplay modes before, so this sounds like a good start.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 10:59, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Wolf 11:53, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/204.191.134.186|204.191.134.186]] 23:26, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
===Oppose===
#I like the idea of two modes in the arena, but not these two. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 01:25, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
I like this idea, but I think Boss Battles vs. All-Star would be better. They are the same thing, but one is battling bosses while the other one is battling other characters. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 21:08, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

==[[Time]] vs. [[Stock]]==

The battle between the two [[Vs. Mode]] matches that have been around since the very beginning. Which is the site's favorite way to play? [[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 11:18, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The SNES 12:13, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#Actually, I was hoping you'd take the "adding Bonus Mode" route, but this also works. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 12:26, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#<span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 21:10, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
# <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 01:25, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:02, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/204.191.134.186|204.191.134.186]] 23:26, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
===Oppose===

===Comments===
I think you should add Bonus Mode, since it was in Melee, or take out Coin Battle, since it wasn't in SSB. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 11:47, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

I think it should be between Time and Stock only. [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 12:04, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

OK, if you guys suggest that one of my combatants should be removed, your wishes will be granted. Say bye-bye, Coin Battle![[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 12:09, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

If it isn't too late, I can bring back Coin Battle and add Bonus Mode, if that's what you want, JamesHeart123. This is a battle between gameplay types, after all.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 12:50, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
:I'll leave it up to Dots, as he's currently the only other supporter. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 13:08, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

==[[Fox]] vs. [[Link]]==

Said to be rivals in the smash series, the former is higher tiered while the latter is more recognized in the Nintendo community. Will strength or popularity succeed? [[Special:Contributions/173.79.214.38|173.79.214.38]] 11:59, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===

===Oppose===
#No similarities. Mario is better for this reason.[[Special:Contributions/83.82.134.111|83.82.134.111]] 12:11, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#I don't really see many similarities with the two other than one has been, "top tier" for two games and one has been, "bottom tier" for two games. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The SNES 12:13, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#Sorry, but I fail to see how the two can be rivals because of popularity and tier lists.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 12:15, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#I don't see any similarities between the two. <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 21:10, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
# <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 01:25, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#I fail to see the connection. [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:02, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===

==[[Samus]] vs. [[Zero Suit Samus]]==

This badass bounty hunter fights in both a powerful but heavy suit of armor and a flexible but weak jumpsuit. Which suit takes the title? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 12:26, 4 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===

===Oppose===
#Has been done, I dun liek rematches. [[User:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#ff8c00|'''Toast'''}}]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|{{Color|#01a3c4|'''ltimatum'''}}]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 20:04, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
#As per Toast. [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:05, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
#I'm neutral, but this is eligible; I checked. <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 01:25, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
:This match is pretty cool so per above. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Octorok 08:34, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

== Groudon vs Kyogre ==

Two Gen III legendaries, representing opposing elements*. Instead of Rayquaza, let's leave it up to the SmashWiki community to decide who wins this battle of epic proportions. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  16:01, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

<small>*Yes, I'm aware that Groudon is a ground type, but he is often equipped with the ability of sunny day, which counters Kyogre's drizzle. </small>

===Support===

===Oppose===
# I enjoy Pokemon fights, but the previous outcome was one-sided, so we may get similar results.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 17:59, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
#Can't support it if it ain't legal. [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:05, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

===Comments===
Too soon for a rematch. This was done in Round 136. '''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]]'''[[File:JH-Heartless.png|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123]]'''[[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]]''' 16:04, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
:Oh dear. I should be more active. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  16:23, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
::Dude, Groudon ALWAYS gets <s>Sunny Day</s> drought. :P <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 00:30, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
:::I only used him in Ubers for a brief period of time, so I'm far from the expert. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  00:53, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

==[[Link]] vs. [[Young Link]] vs. [[Toon Link]]==

The three different Links are going head to head to head! Will the regular adult, the child Hero of Time, or the cel-shaded one win?  <span style="font-family:RAGE ITALIC">[[User:Terrible|<span style="color:grey">Terrible</span>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<span style="color:green">is</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<span style="color:lightpink">May</span> <span style="color:red">Flowers</span>]]</span> 21:26, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
# A nice way to see which incarnation of Link is the most popular of the three.[[Special:Contributions/71.105.121.171|71.105.121.171]] 23:56, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
#Sure, why not? <span style="font-family:Triforce, sans-serif;">'''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]'''</span>[[Image:DP99Majora.png]] 01:25, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:Dots|<font color="red">Do</font>]][[User talk:Dots|<font color="blue">t</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dots|<font color="purple">s</font>]] [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Octorok 08:34, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:06, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/204.191.134.186|204.191.134.186]] 23:26, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
===Oppose===

===Comments===

==[[Cloaking Device]] vs. [[Motion sensor bomb]]==

two sneaky weapons of 'top secret' origins. which one will come out as the victor? [[User:Fedorakeeby11|<span style="color: yellow;">'''Fedora'''</span>]][[User talk:Fedorakeeby11|''<span style="color: orange;">keeby11</span>'']][[File:Yellowkirby.png|20px]] Potato potato potato!! 10:55, 6 May 2013 (EDT)

===Support===
#I was kinda stuck in the middle, but ultimately lean in favor of support. On an irrelevant note, I liek potatoez. [[User:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">infernape]][[User talk:infernape612|<span style="color:orange">612</span>]]</span> 16:08, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/204.191.134.186|204.191.134.186]] 23:26, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
===Oppose===

===Comments===
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