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== Joker's Leaked Parameters == | == Joker's Leaked Parameters == | ||
Is it really okay to put that stuff in the article? | |||
For one thing, it's leaked content. Before the game's release, it was explicitly forbidden to add information from the leaked game or add framedata from pre-release demos, and I don't see how this is any different. Joker is under development and his framedata is subject to change. | |||
What I believe is more damning for maintaining SmashWiki integrity is the fact that the data is not directly identified as "Joker", it's identified as "Jack". Now, "Jack" is obviously Joker (he's after "Packun" (Piranha Plant) and before "Brave"), but we don't know that for certain because it hasn't been officially confirmed. For all we know it could be Jack from MadWorld, or Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2. Even if we're sure that it's Joker, we don't know how sure we can be and it's not the job of a wiki to take that chance. | |||
With all this in mind, I'm probably going to make an account and start reverting the changes on various articles that refer to Joker's stats, replacing "Joker" with "Jack" and putting a footnote explaining the leak and the fact that "Jack" is generally believed to be Joker. | |||
I'll wait a few days to do this, if nobody has any objections. [[Special:Contributions/132.170.60.245|132.170.60.245]] 23:20, 9 February 2019 (EST) | |||
:Leaked content in the form of textual information and screenshots ''was'' allowed to be added on the wiki. You may have confused this with the prohibition of hosting extracted files, like artwork or music, until the game's official release. | |||
:The guidelines over specific values were in effect to twart speculation from pre-release footage, such as the demo at E3, and doesn't apply to games already released and datamined, as far as I'm aware, despite being subject to change. | |||
:A brief mention of Joker's believed stats being under the "Jack" name could be added, if only to avoid any confusion over the names found in the datamine itself. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 00:28, 10 February 2019 (EST) | |||
Revision as of 01:29, February 10, 2019
We've already got Robin, and we just got Joker....why do I feel like we're missing someone?152.26.211.26 04:22, 31 December 2018 (EST)
- What? Batman? SeanWheeler (talk) 00:09, 1 January 2019 (EST)
- This is not proper use of talk pages. Please refrain from these types of edits. James
Heart 00:59, 1 January 2019 (EST)
- This is not proper use of talk pages. Please refrain from these types of edits. James
Moveset
Where did they reveal he can wall jump and has a neutral rapid jab? 99.203.128.19 14:50, 5 January 2019 (EST) (preceding comment was by a signed out aykrivwassup)
- It was datamined, apparently. The Twitter link showing the datamined content was mentioned in the edit summaries but wasn't added to the article. JamesHeart 00:10, 6 January 2019 (EST)
He is supposed to be faster than sonic. That is what I read from somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.178.29 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 5 February 2019 (EST)
Joker's Leaked Parameters
Is it really okay to put that stuff in the article?
For one thing, it's leaked content. Before the game's release, it was explicitly forbidden to add information from the leaked game or add framedata from pre-release demos, and I don't see how this is any different. Joker is under development and his framedata is subject to change.
What I believe is more damning for maintaining SmashWiki integrity is the fact that the data is not directly identified as "Joker", it's identified as "Jack". Now, "Jack" is obviously Joker (he's after "Packun" (Piranha Plant) and before "Brave"), but we don't know that for certain because it hasn't been officially confirmed. For all we know it could be Jack from MadWorld, or Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2. Even if we're sure that it's Joker, we don't know how sure we can be and it's not the job of a wiki to take that chance.
With all this in mind, I'm probably going to make an account and start reverting the changes on various articles that refer to Joker's stats, replacing "Joker" with "Jack" and putting a footnote explaining the leak and the fact that "Jack" is generally believed to be Joker.
I'll wait a few days to do this, if nobody has any objections. 132.170.60.245 23:20, 9 February 2019 (EST)
- Leaked content in the form of textual information and screenshots was allowed to be added on the wiki. You may have confused this with the prohibition of hosting extracted files, like artwork or music, until the game's official release.
- The guidelines over specific values were in effect to twart speculation from pre-release footage, such as the demo at E3, and doesn't apply to games already released and datamined, as far as I'm aware, despite being subject to change.
- A brief mention of Joker's believed stats being under the "Jack" name could be added, if only to avoid any confusion over the names found in the datamine itself.
Nokii — 00:28, 10 February 2019 (EST)
