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==DOJO reveals new information==
Okay, we need a lot of help here. I'll see if I can import some pages.
I have added the information to the article myself. Here is the source link: www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea17. html
[[User:Ultrasonicfan|Ultrasonicfan]] 21:41, 1 October 2010 (EDT)


== Hola vengo a fastidiar. ==
Someone should work on this. The page on Mario wiki is a lot tidier, better looking and easier to read. I would help but this is a bit too big for me, good luck.
www.mariowiki.com/Adventure_Mode:_The_Subspace_Emissary
==Cleanup==
There is currently a cleanup tag for this page saying that it needs to be written like more informational than a storybook. I'd like to know how we can incorporate factual information. And besides, we should have a summary of the plot ''somewhere'' on this wiki. [[User talk:Ac2k|<font color="Red">'''''Ac2k'''''</font>]] 20:36, 6 March 2013 (EST)
:Storybook refers to unnecessary details such as [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Adventure_Mode:_The_Subspace_Emissary&diff=457370&oldid=457366 pointless character descriptions and plot descriptions]. There is a difference between "Jack and Jill went to the farm" and "Jack, a young boy, and Jill, a young girl, went to the farm, which was away from the rest of the world." We would want to strive for the second one, but this is a Wiki, so if you wanted to know what Jack looked like, you'd click on the link to his page. In a similar fashion, if you wanted to know who Kirby was, you could click on his article. Long story short, remove unnecessary details if you see any more of it. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 20:55, 6 March 2013 (EST)
::Thanks! [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 14:22, 9 March 2013 (EST)


Hey we should increase the plot section, I mean with the game trailer's videos we knwo a lot more of the plot. --[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 21:18, November 16, 2007 (EST)
:Fandangox, what a great idea you have, we should really increase the plot section, I hope there could be more smashers like you.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 11:25, November 23, 2007 (EST)
::Ok, someone will anser me or I need to continue talking to myself?--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 16:58, November 23, 2007 (EST)
:::I say we need to rehash the article completely. It's just a basic summary of the plot as it has appeared on DOJO!! (and we all know that depending on how you play, the plot can be different) and a list of the updates pertaining to The Subspace Emissary. What we really need to do is:
*Add things to it that we learned and saw at E for All.
*Set up the plot description as a "list" of the possibilities, as opposed to only explaining the plot as DOJO!! has shown it.
*Set up a list of bosses/enemies.
*Explain the whole plot as a whole (e.g. The Subspace Army's intentions).


These are just my two cents on how this article needs to be rewritten. Comment, if you will. [[User:Teamrocketspy621|Teamrocketspy621]] 19:43, November 23, 2007 (EST)
'''A year later...'''
:So you are saying that we should make a plot of the already revealed (and write in this article) DOJO! and a separate plot section with the footage we saw in E4A?(thanks for answering me I was just to talk to myself again) --[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 20:21, November 23, 2007 (EST)
::I suggest we simply put that together. I can try to whip something up as a beta, but don't expect it too soon. [[User:Teamrocketspy621|Teamrocketspy621]] 20:39, November 23, 2007 (EST)
:::I was trying to edit and I had Just ge this: "==Plot's developent==
The Subspace emissary plot begins with [[Mario|(SSBB)]] and [[Kirby|(SSBB)]] fighting in a stadium, with [[Peach|(SSBB)]] and [[Zelda|(SSBB) as spectators, as the math finish the two combatants taunt to their public, suddenly the [[Halberd]] apears aconppanied with a dark purple cloud-like atmosphere, the halberd send down to the stadium little dark spheres..."


I think that the plot section needs more "Wikifiying", meaning it needs more links. Here's my proposal: At the mention of each new character (when their name appears onscreen), we should have a link to their article. For example, the first time that Captain Falcon is mentioned in the plot, we put "[[Captain Falcon (SSBB)|Captain Falcon]] then comes and..." Also, there are some minor to serious issues with grammar and spelling in this summary. I can fix that when I get a chance. Lastly, the plot summary is not complete. If you go to [http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=0518C2DF9173FFE8 this page], you can view the entire game. [[User:Dogman15|Dogman15]] 00:18, February 12, 2008 (EST)


but I realiz that it was bad writen and it would just lead to some disaster nd I didn't wanted to cause trouble.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 20:41, November 23, 2007 (EST)
I just want to say I added {{[[Template:Cleanup|cleanup]]}} . Most readers, especially those of SmashWiki, are hardly going to sit through 20+ paragraphs of exposition. And the section is also poorly written. Some examples:


Does anyone know who [http://www.flickr.com/photos/vgcats/2228687936/in/set-72157603813685808/|this] is?[[User:Metaray42 |~Metaray42 ]]
*"''Inside the Halberd, out of a cardboard box disguise emerges Snake, who had infiltrated the Halberd much earlier for the probable reason that he is trying to combat the menace of the Subspace Army in their own battleship in his own way.''"
*"''The Minister defiantly stands in the way of his brethren to stop them, but Ganondorf manually controls the enslaved R.O.B.s and have them shoot their former 'master', setting his cloak aflame.''"
*"''Marth races to investigate whatever destructive plot is transpiring, but his fortress is besieged by the Subspace Army, forcing him to fight his way through repeated swarms of enemies until he gets to the grounds outside of the fortress.''"
*"''Back in Skyworld, Pit helplessly watches as the Midair Stadium is consumed by the Subspace explosion. Just then, he is summoned by Palutena, who grants him the task of combating the Subspace menace and liberating the world.''"
*"''On the Isle of Ancients, Samus is seen in her Zero Suit due to losing her Power Suit, and has infiltrated the floating island through a ventilator shaft and is now sneaking her way into the research facility areas, battling and defeating R.O.B. Squad minions along the way.''"
*"'' Indeed, the original purpose of the detonation of so many Subspace Bombs was to open a rift between realms physically large enough to allow the Subspace Gunship through, while discarding the Subspace Bomb Factory at the Isle of Ancients in the process, as there would have been no further use for the factory once the Gunship enters the world.''"
*"''This victory has not been without a heavy price, though: the sheer number of Subspace Bombs involved in the explosion that consumed the Isle of Ancients has prevented that area of space from ever returning to normal despite Subspace having been completely removed, so the Isle is gone forever, and an X-shaped mark of light remains in its place. As of now, R.O.B. will remain the last of his kind.''"


:That's Taboo, a brand-spankin' new character. <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Thou Hath No Honor|<span style="color: #800040;">'''Thou Hath No Honor'''</span>]]</font> 20:06, February 4, 2008 (EST)
Most of them are tiring to read (try reading some of these out loud) while others are filled with loaded words. Writing like this shouldn't go without the cleanup template, so it should stay there until drastic changes have been made. I know the writing [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Adventure_Mode:_The_Subspace_Emissary&diff=457370&oldid=457366 was much, much worse] (e.g. ''"And Wario, a bellicose thug with a penchant for mischief[...]"'' wtf am i reading) [[File:GreenMarioBrawlHead.png|15px]] [[User:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#32CD32">Green</span>]] [[User talk:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color:#FFA500">Mario</span>]] 17:27, 28 February 2014 (EST)
 
==Teams==
Don't you think we should create a Team section below the confirmed characters? we alreadt know much about the teams that are formed in the SE and we always create that kind of things in other articles.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 10:44, December 22, 2007 (EST)
 
Ok go for it I like it just reorganize the charecters edit put it in a table it looks better ;)
[[User:Crystal lucario|~Crystal_Lucario]] 11:05, December 22, 2007 (EST)
 
:I removed the "Teams" section that was created. Frankly, we don't know enough about the Subspace Emissary to include these trivial things, and the fact that the characters you choose effect the pair ups makes the section quite pointless. {{unsigned|RandomGuy42 }}
::Ok, then, Merry X-mas guys.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 21:17, December 25, 2007 (EST)
 
I had an idea...something like this...
        Mario*---Kirby*
          |  \ /  |
        Zelda*/Peach*
*Mario and Kirby each get one princess depending on how game is played.
 
 
 
        Donkey---Diddy
          |        |
          ???      Fox
[[User:Crystal lucario|~Crystal_Lucario]] 09:17, January 20, 2008 (EST)
 
I'm thinking we stick with [[Crystal lucario]]'s plan. [[User:Hamstermilitary|Hamstermilitary]] 09:23, January 20, 2008 (EST)
 
Done!
[[User:Crystal lucario|~Crystal_Lucario]] 09:43, January 20, 2008 (EST)
:Perfect! pretty good idea to organize it.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 19:15, January 20, 2008 (EST)
 
 
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH [[User:Shiny Lucario|Shiny Lucario]] 19:41, January 20, 2008 (EST)
:Perfect Shiny Lucario! your idea to annoy others isnt as bad as mine.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 22:17, January 20, 2008 (EST)
 
:You two must settle this match! But somwhere else! [[User:Hamstermilitary|Hamstermilitary]] 08:02, January 21, 2008 (EST)
 
Im confused why did fandangox say that?????
[[User:Crystal lucario|~Crystal_Lucario]] 09:07, January 22, 2008 (EST)
PS Shiny, dont spam
 
I'm thinking that they are just messing around. [[User:Hamstermilitary|Hamstermilitary]] 10:17, January 22, 2008 (EST)
:No, is just that I can be annoying at times.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 22:17, February 8, 2008 (EST)
==Problem==
 
It seems that this article assumes that Kirby can be blasted off into the sky to meet Pit while Mario can stay and rescue a princess. I realize that whole idea is based squarely on an old 2-second clip of Mario fighting Petey Piranha. But from what I've seen from various players, Mario is shot into the sky to team up with Pit no matter what you do, and Kirby always must rescue a princess (again, no matter what you do). So that would render a lot of info in this article incorrect.
 
Unless someone can provide evidence that Kirby can, in fact, team up with Pit in the beginning, I'll drop my argument, but I am convinced it cannot be done. <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Thou Hath No Honor|<span style="color: #800040;">'''Thou Hath No Honor'''</span>]]</font> 22:06, February 8, 2008 (EST)
 
Well lets see, now depending on how many scenes would be affected if Kirby and Mario were switched, it might help determine whether you can have Kirby meet Pit, and Mario keeps with the Princess. After all, the more scenes that would be affected, the more data that is needed to make those scenes. So if too much data would be used, then the chance that they could be switched is very low. [[User:Learner4|Learner4]] 18:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 
Hi. I'm just joining this discussion, but do you think the clip of Mario fighting Petey Pirahna might from Boss Battle mode? Or is it actually a cinematic?'''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]][[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<small><sup><span style="color:Gold">TALK</span></sup></small>]]'''
 
== Chapters? ==
 
where are the specific chapters broken up? Does anybody have proof of an official source calling them Chapters and where they said each chapter started and ended?'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:Gold">"SK</span>]]--[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:Gray">Bow  down to the king.</span>]]~[[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:tan">''Now'' what have you done?</span>]]''' 01:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's just the problem, they ''aren't'' divided into chapters in-game. Whoever wrote the plot synopsis arbitrarily defined where one chapter ends and the next begins. It's okay for organization, but a little presumptive. Something should probably be done. <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Thou Hath No Honor|<span style="color: #800040;">'''Thou Hath No Honor'''</span>]]</font> 08:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 
Yes you're right. However, I think we can all agree that Tabuu defeating all the heroes is the ending of chapter, and Dedede and his companions waking up in his wrecked castle is the start of another. There are certain scenes that give a conclusive feel, like Lucas and Pokemon Trainer shaking hands after the battle with Galleom.'''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]][[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<small><sup><span style="color:Gold">TALK</span></sup></small>]]'''

Latest revision as of 18:31, February 28, 2014

Okay, we need a lot of help here. I'll see if I can import some pages. Ultrasonicfan 21:41, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

Someone should work on this. The page on Mario wiki is a lot tidier, better looking and easier to read. I would help but this is a bit too big for me, good luck. www.mariowiki.com/Adventure_Mode:_The_Subspace_Emissary

Cleanup[edit]

There is currently a cleanup tag for this page saying that it needs to be written like more informational than a storybook. I'd like to know how we can incorporate factual information. And besides, we should have a summary of the plot somewhere on this wiki. Ac2k 20:36, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Storybook refers to unnecessary details such as pointless character descriptions and plot descriptions. There is a difference between "Jack and Jill went to the farm" and "Jack, a young boy, and Jill, a young girl, went to the farm, which was away from the rest of the world." We would want to strive for the second one, but this is a Wiki, so if you wanted to know what Jack looked like, you'd click on the link to his page. In a similar fashion, if you wanted to know who Kirby was, you could click on his article. Long story short, remove unnecessary details if you see any more of it. MegaTron1XDDecepticon.png 20:55, 6 March 2013 (EST)
Thanks! Awesome Cardinal 2000 14:22, 9 March 2013 (EST)


A year later...


I just want to say I added {{cleanup}} . Most readers, especially those of SmashWiki, are hardly going to sit through 20+ paragraphs of exposition. And the section is also poorly written. Some examples:

  • "Inside the Halberd, out of a cardboard box disguise emerges Snake, who had infiltrated the Halberd much earlier for the probable reason that he is trying to combat the menace of the Subspace Army in their own battleship in his own way."
  • "The Minister defiantly stands in the way of his brethren to stop them, but Ganondorf manually controls the enslaved R.O.B.s and have them shoot their former 'master', setting his cloak aflame."
  • "Marth races to investigate whatever destructive plot is transpiring, but his fortress is besieged by the Subspace Army, forcing him to fight his way through repeated swarms of enemies until he gets to the grounds outside of the fortress."
  • "Back in Skyworld, Pit helplessly watches as the Midair Stadium is consumed by the Subspace explosion. Just then, he is summoned by Palutena, who grants him the task of combating the Subspace menace and liberating the world."
  • "On the Isle of Ancients, Samus is seen in her Zero Suit due to losing her Power Suit, and has infiltrated the floating island through a ventilator shaft and is now sneaking her way into the research facility areas, battling and defeating R.O.B. Squad minions along the way."
  • " Indeed, the original purpose of the detonation of so many Subspace Bombs was to open a rift between realms physically large enough to allow the Subspace Gunship through, while discarding the Subspace Bomb Factory at the Isle of Ancients in the process, as there would have been no further use for the factory once the Gunship enters the world."
  • "This victory has not been without a heavy price, though: the sheer number of Subspace Bombs involved in the explosion that consumed the Isle of Ancients has prevented that area of space from ever returning to normal despite Subspace having been completely removed, so the Isle is gone forever, and an X-shaped mark of light remains in its place. As of now, R.O.B. will remain the last of his kind."

Most of them are tiring to read (try reading some of these out loud) while others are filled with loaded words. Writing like this shouldn't go without the cleanup template, so it should stay there until drastic changes have been made. I know the writing was much, much worse (e.g. "And Wario, a bellicose thug with a penchant for mischief[...]" wtf am i reading) GreenMarioBrawlHead.png Green Mario 17:27, 28 February 2014 (EST)