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::::I updated it using the double-heads (Kirby and Peach no longer hang off, but Jiggles, G&W, and Snake now do -.- Oh and ROB still does), I think it works fine, but there is the fact that the two are way far apart. It is a little confusing to see Luigi's final smash in brawl isn't in SSB4, then you have to search through the SSB4 heads to find Luigi's. And there's no way to differ changed final smashes from characters who were cut (so Luigi looks like he was cut, or Ice Climbers look like their final smash changed)... My final idea is to split it into two completely separate templates (which could double-up a little, with both having, say, Mario Finale). This would still split changed Final Smashes apart but in a more logical manner. But it also seems rather unnecessary. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] 18:49, 17 January 2015 (EST)

:::::Hence my opinion that the current setup, while perhaps not overly elegant, is about as good as we can get. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 18:57, 17 January 2015 (EST)

== Alternate layout ideas, round 2 ==

[[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki#Final Smash template|As promised]], here are some other possible alternatives that I find less confusing than [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:FinalSmash&oldid=914379 this version], which some may find preferable to the current version.

===No-Heads By Game approach===

{{Navbox

|name=FinalSmash

|title=[[Final Smash]]es

|group1= Introduced in ''Brawl''

|list1= [[Aura Storm]]{{·}} [[Beast Ganon]]{{·}} [[Blue Falcon]]{{·}} [[Cook Kirby]]{{·}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} [[Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} [[End of Day]]{{·}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]{{·}} {{b|Giga Bowser|Final Smash}}{{·}} [[Great Aether]]{{·}} [[Grenade Launcher]]{{·}} [[Iceberg]]{{·}} [[Konga Beat]]{{·}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} [[Mario Finale]]{{·}} [[Negative Zone]]{{·}} [[Octopus]]{{·}} [[Palutena's Army]]{{·}} [[Peach Blossom]]{{·}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} [[Power Suit Samus]]{{·}} [[Puff Up]]{{·}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]{{·}} [[Super Dragon]]{{·}} [[Super Sonic]]{{·}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} [[Triple Finish]]{{·}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} [[Waddle Dee Army]]{{·}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} [[Zero Laser]]

|group2= Introduced in ''SSB4''

|list2= [[Black Hole Laser]]{{·}} [[Chain Attack]]{{·}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]{{·}} [[Dedede Burst]]{{·}} [[Doctor Finale]]{{·}} [[Dream Home]]{{·}} [[Final Edge]]{{·}} [[Full Blast]]{{·}} [[Giga Mac]]{{·}} {{b|Gunship|Final Smash}}{{·}} [[Infernal Climax]]{{·}} [[Mega Charizard X]]{{·}} [[Mega Legends]]{{·}} [[Mega Lucario]]{{·}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]{{·}} [[Omega Blitz]]{{·}} [[Omnislash]]{{·}} [[Pair Up]]{{·}} [[Poltergust 5000]]{{·}} [[Power Star]]{{·}} [[Psystrike]]{{·}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]{{·}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]{{·}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]{{·}} [[Super Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} [[Super Pac-Man]]{{·}} [[Three Sacred Treasures]]{{·}} [[Torrential Roar]]{{·}} [[Ultra Sword]]{{·}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}

}}

*{{y|16px}} No character heads = less clutter

*{{y|16px}} Bypasses messiness of putting changed Final Smashes apart from each other because they're no longer sorted by character anyways

*{{n|16px}} Loses the benefits of sorting by character

*{{n|16px}} Fails to distinguish between different character versions of a shared FS (Landmaster, Critical Hit, etc.) without adding cluttering notes

===The columns===

{|class="navbox nowraplinks collapsible autocollapse" cellspacing="2"

|-

!class="navbox-title" colspan="6"|

<div style="float:left;width:6em;text-align:left;">{{Tnavbar|FinalSmash|ns={{{namespace|Template}}}}}</div>[[Final Smash]]es

|-

| style="text-align:left;" | {{head|Bayonetta|s=16px}} [[Infernal Climax]]

{{head|Bowser|s=16px}} {{b|Giga Bowser|Final Smash}}

{{head|Bowser Jr.|s=16px}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]

{{head|Captain Falcon|s=16px}} [[Blue Falcon]]

{{head|Charizard|s=16px}} [[Mega Charizard X]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

{{head|Cloud|s=16px}} [[Omnislash]]

{{head|Corrin|s=16px}} [[Torrential Roar]]

{{head|Dark Pit|s=16px}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]

{{head|Diddy Kong|s=16px}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]

{{head|Donkey Kong|s=16px}} [[Konga Beat]]

{{head|Dr. Mario|s=16px}} [[Doctor Finale]]

{{head|Duck Hunt|s=16px}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]

| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Falco|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]

{{head|Fox|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]

{{head|Ganondorf|s=16px}} [[Beast Ganon]]

{{head|Greninja|s=16px}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]

{{head|Ice Climbers|s=16px}} [[Iceberg]]

{{head|Ike|s=16px}} [[Great Aether]]

{{head|Jigglypuff|s=16px}} [[Puff Up]]

{{head|King Dedede|s=16px}} [[Waddle Dee Army]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] [[Dedede Burst]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

{{head|Kirby|s=16px}} [[Cook Kirby]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] [[Ultra Sword]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

{{head|Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]

| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Little Mac|s=16px}} [[Giga Mac]]

{{head|Lucario|s=16px}} [[Aura Storm]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] [[Mega Lucario]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

{{head|Lucas|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]

{{head|Lucina|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]

{{head|Luigi|s=16px}} [[Negative Zone]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] [[Poltergust 5000]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

{{head|Mario|s=16px}} [[Mario Finale]]

{{head|Marth|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]

{{head|Mega Man|s=16px}} [[Mega Legends]]

{{head|Meta Knight|s=16px}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]

{{head|Mewtwo|s=16px}} [[Psystrike]]

| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Mii Brawler|s=16px}} [[Omega Blitz]]

{{head|Mii Gunner|s=16px}} [[Full Blast]]

{{head|Mii Swordfighter|s=16px}} [[Final Edge]]

{{head|Mr. Game & Watch|s=16px}} [[Octopus]]

{{head|Ness|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]

{{head|Olimar|s=16px}} [[End of Day]]

{{head|Pac-Man|s=16px}} [[Super Pac-Man]]

{{head|Palutena|s=16px}} [[Black Hole Laser]]

{{head|Peach|s=16px}} [[Peach Blossom]]

{{head|Pikachu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]

{{head|Pit|s=16px}} [[Palutena's Army]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] [[Three Sacred Treasures]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Pokémon Trainer|s=16px}} [[Triple Finish]]

{{head|R.O.B.|s=16px}} [[Diffusion Beam]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] [[Super Diffusion Beam]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

{{head|Robin|s=16px}} [[Pair Up]]

{{head|Rosalina|s=16px}} [[Power Star]]

{{head|Roy|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]

{{head|Ryu|s=16px}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]

{{head|Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]

{{head|Sheik|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]

{{head|Shulk|s=16px}} [[Chain Attack]]

{{head|Snake|s=16px}} [[Grenade Launcher]]

{{head|Sonic|s=16px}} [[Super Sonic]]

| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Toon Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]

{{head|Villager|s=16px}} [[Dream Home]]

{{head|Wario|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]

{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}

{{head|Wolf|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]

{{head|Yoshi|s=16px}} [[Super Dragon]]

{{head|Zelda|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]

{{head|Zero Suit Samus|s=16px}} [[Power Suit Samus]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}} [[File:None.png|16px]] {{b|Gunship|Final Smash}} {{GameIcon|SSB4}}

|}

*{{y|16px}} Maintains character sorting while making characters easier to navigate

*{{y|16px}} Maintains listing of changed ones next to each other

*{{n|16px}} Almost impossible to guarantee perfectly-balanced columns; also requires manual column rebalancing every time a FS is added (planning for future)

*{{n|16px}} Most wiki templates do not sort in columns this way, making it an atypical layout

Thoughts? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 13:01, 21 November 2016 (EST)

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 ::::I updated it using the double-heads (Kirby and Peach no longer hang off, but Jiggles, G&W, and Snake now do -.- Oh and ROB still does), I think it works fine, but there is the fact that the two are way far apart. It is a little confusing to see Luigi's final smash in brawl isn't in SSB4, then you have to search through the SSB4 heads to find Luigi's. And there's no way to differ changed final smashes from characters who were cut (so Luigi looks like he was cut, or Ice Climbers look like their final smash changed)... My final idea is to split it into two completely separate templates (which could double-up a little, with both having, say, Mario Finale). This would still split changed Final Smashes apart but in a more logical manner. But it also seems rather unnecessary. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small>  18:49, 17 January 2015 (EST)
 :::::Hence my opinion that the current setup, while perhaps not overly elegant, is about as good as we can get. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:57, 17 January 2015 (EST)
+== Alternate layout ideas, round 2 ==
+[[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki#Final Smash template|As promised]], here are some other possible alternatives that I find less confusing than [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:FinalSmash&oldid=914379 this version], which some may find preferable to the current version.
+===No-Heads By Game approach===
+{{Navbox
+|name=FinalSmash
+|title=[[Final Smash]]es
+|group1= Introduced in ''Brawl''
+|list1= [[Aura Storm]]{{·}} [[Beast Ganon]]{{·}} [[Blue Falcon]]{{·}} [[Cook Kirby]]{{·}} [[Critical Hit]]{{·}} [[Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} [[End of Day]]{{·}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]{{·}} {{b|Giga Bowser|Final Smash}}{{·}} [[Great Aether]]{{·}} [[Grenade Launcher]]{{·}} [[Iceberg]]{{·}} [[Konga Beat]]{{·}} [[Landmaster]]{{·}} [[Light Arrow]]{{·}} [[Mario Finale]]{{·}} [[Negative Zone]]{{·}} [[Octopus]]{{·}} [[Palutena's Army]]{{·}} [[Peach Blossom]]{{·}} [[PK Starstorm]]{{·}} [[Power Suit Samus]]{{·}} [[Puff Up]]{{·}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]{{·}} [[Super Dragon]]{{·}} [[Super Sonic]]{{·}} [[Triforce Slash]]{{·}} [[Triple Finish]]{{·}} [[Volt Tackle]]{{·}} [[Waddle Dee Army]]{{·}} [[Wario-Man]]{{·}} [[Zero Laser]]
+|group2= Introduced in ''SSB4''
+|list2= [[Black Hole Laser]]{{·}} [[Chain Attack]]{{·}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]{{·}} [[Dedede Burst]]{{·}} [[Doctor Finale]]{{·}} [[Dream Home]]{{·}} [[Final Edge]]{{·}} [[Full Blast]]{{·}} [[Giga Mac]]{{·}} {{b|Gunship|Final Smash}}{{·}} [[Infernal Climax]]{{·}} [[Mega Charizard X]]{{·}} [[Mega Legends]]{{·}} [[Mega Lucario]]{{·}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]{{·}} [[Omega Blitz]]{{·}} [[Omnislash]]{{·}} [[Pair Up]]{{·}} [[Poltergust 5000]]{{·}} [[Power Star]]{{·}} [[Psystrike]]{{·}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]{{·}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]{{·}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]{{·}} [[Super Diffusion Beam]]{{·}} [[Super Pac-Man]]{{·}} [[Three Sacred Treasures]]{{·}} [[Torrential Roar]]{{·}} [[Ultra Sword]]{{·}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}
+}}
+*{{y|16px}} No character heads = less clutter
+*{{y|16px}} Bypasses messiness of putting changed Final Smashes apart from each other because they're no longer sorted by character anyways
+*{{n|16px}} Loses the benefits of sorting by character
+*{{n|16px}} Fails to distinguish between different character versions of a shared FS (Landmaster, Critical Hit, etc.) without adding cluttering notes
+===The columns===
+{|class="navbox nowraplinks collapsible autocollapse" cellspacing="2"
+|-
+!class="navbox-title" colspan="6"|
+<div style="float:left;width:6em;text-align:left;">{{Tnavbar|FinalSmash|ns={{{namespace|Template}}}}}</div><span style="font-size:110%">[[Final Smash]]es</span>
+|-
+| style="text-align:left;" | {{head|Bayonetta|s=16px}} [[Infernal Climax]]<br>
+{{head|Bowser|s=16px}} {{b|Giga Bowser|Final Smash}}<br>
+{{head|Bowser Jr.|s=16px}} [[Shadow Mario Paint]]<br>
+{{head|Captain Falcon|s=16px}} [[Blue Falcon]]<br>
+{{head|Charizard|s=16px}} [[Mega Charizard X]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+{{head|Cloud|s=16px}} [[Omnislash]]<br>
+{{head|Corrin|s=16px}} [[Torrential Roar]]<br>
+{{head|Dark Pit|s=16px}} [[Dark Pit Staff]]<br>
+{{head|Diddy Kong|s=16px}} [[Rocketbarrel Barrage]]<br>
+{{head|Donkey Kong|s=16px}} [[Konga Beat]]<br>
+{{head|Dr. Mario|s=16px}} [[Doctor Finale]]<br>
+{{head|Duck Hunt|s=16px}} [[NES Zapper Posse]]<br>
+| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Falco|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]<br>
+{{head|Fox|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]<br>
+{{head|Ganondorf|s=16px}} [[Beast Ganon]]<br>
+{{head|Greninja|s=16px}} [[Secret Ninja Attack]]<br>
+{{head|Ice Climbers|s=16px}} [[Iceberg]]<br>
+{{head|Ike|s=16px}} [[Great Aether]]<br>
+{{head|Jigglypuff|s=16px}} [[Puff Up]]<br>
+{{head|King Dedede|s=16px}} [[Waddle Dee Army]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] [[Dedede Burst]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+{{head|Kirby|s=16px}} [[Cook Kirby]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] [[Ultra Sword]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+{{head|Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]<br>
+| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Little Mac|s=16px}} [[Giga Mac]]<br>
+{{head|Lucario|s=16px}} [[Aura Storm]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] [[Mega Lucario]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+{{head|Lucas|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]<br>
+{{head|Lucina|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]<br>
+{{head|Luigi|s=16px}} [[Negative Zone]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] [[Poltergust 5000]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+{{head|Mario|s=16px}} [[Mario Finale]]<br>
+{{head|Marth|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]<br>
+{{head|Mega Man|s=16px}} [[Mega Legends]]<br>
+{{head|Meta Knight|s=16px}} [[Galaxia Darkness]]<br>
+{{head|Mewtwo|s=16px}} [[Psystrike]]<br>
+| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Mii Brawler|s=16px}} [[Omega Blitz]]<br>
+{{head|Mii Gunner|s=16px}} [[Full Blast]]<br>
+{{head|Mii Swordfighter|s=16px}} [[Final Edge]]<br>
+{{head|Mr. Game & Watch|s=16px}} [[Octopus]]<br>
+{{head|Ness|s=16px}} [[PK Starstorm]]<br>
+{{head|Olimar|s=16px}} [[End of Day]]<br>
+{{head|Pac-Man|s=16px}} [[Super Pac-Man]]<br>
+{{head|Palutena|s=16px}} [[Black Hole Laser]]<br>
+{{head|Peach|s=16px}} [[Peach Blossom]]<br>
+{{head|Pikachu|s=16px}} [[Volt Tackle]]<br>
+{{head|Pit|s=16px}} [[Palutena's Army]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] [[Three Sacred Treasures]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Pokémon Trainer|s=16px}} [[Triple Finish]]<br>
+{{head|R.O.B.|s=16px}} [[Diffusion Beam]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] [[Super Diffusion Beam]] {{GameIcon|SSB4}}<br>
+{{head|Robin|s=16px}} [[Pair Up]]<br>
+{{head|Rosalina|s=16px}} [[Power Star]]<br>
+{{head|Roy|s=16px}} [[Critical Hit]]<br>
+{{head|Ryu|s=16px}} [[Shin Shoryuken / Shinku Hadoken]]<br>
+{{head|Samus|s=16px}} [[Zero Laser]]<br>
+{{head|Sheik|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]<br>
+{{head|Shulk|s=16px}} [[Chain Attack]]<br>
+{{head|Snake|s=16px}} [[Grenade Launcher]]<br>
+{{head|Sonic|s=16px}} [[Super Sonic]]<br>
+| style="text-align:left;" |{{head|Toon Link|s=16px}} [[Triforce Slash]]<br>
+{{head|Villager|s=16px}} [[Dream Home]]<br>
+{{head|Wario|s=16px}} [[Wario-Man]]<br>
+{{head|Wii Fit Trainer|s=16px}} {{b|Wii Fit|Final Smash}}<br>
+{{head|Wolf|s=16px}} [[Landmaster]]<br>
+{{head|Yoshi|s=16px}} [[Super Dragon]]<br>
+{{head|Zelda|s=16px}} [[Light Arrow]]<br>
+{{head|Zero Suit Samus|s=16px}} [[Power Suit Samus]] {{GameIcon|SSBB}}<br>[[File:None.png|16px]] {{b|Gunship|Final Smash}} {{GameIcon|SSB4}}
+|}
+*{{y|16px}} Maintains character sorting while making characters easier to navigate
+*{{y|16px}} Maintains listing of changed ones next to each other
+*{{n|16px}} Almost impossible to guarantee perfectly-balanced columns; also requires manual column rebalancing every time a FS is added (planning for future)
+*{{n|16px}} Most wiki templates do not sort in columns this way, making it an atypical layout
+Thoughts? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:01, 21 November 2016 (EST)

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