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===Oppose===
===Oppose===
== Use All-Star Mode as reference for "debut" sections in infoboxes ==
This isn't a major issue, but one I feel like is worth addressing regardless; a recent proposal was made to change Cloud's debut to a demo version of ''Final Fantasy VII'' that released in 1996. This failed to pass, because most users expressed disagreement with the sentiment that an early-bird appearance (such as a demo) should count as a debut. Right now, several characters have "technical debuts" listed in cases where they may have appeared before their official debut. But we have actual, official reference for when each character debuted: the [[All-Star Mode]] page. This doesn't count early-bird appearances and only lists their official debut in their own series, and might be useful to avoid getting into the weeds for stuff like this.
It'd specifically affect the following characters:
*[[Kirby]]: Official debut is ''Kirby's Dream Land'', cameoed in ''Arcana'' beforehand.
*[[Luigi]]: Official debut is ''Mario Bros.'' (arcade), appeared in ''Mario Bros.'' (Game & Watch) beforehand.
*[[Ganondorf]]: Official debut is ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time''. The debuts of Ganon and the "Ganondorf" name are also listed, which I think is fine to keep.
*[[Roy]]: Official debut is ''Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade'', appeared in ''Melee'' beforehand.
*[[Mr. Game & Watch]]: Official debut is ''Ball'', Mr. Game & Watch as a character debuted in ''Melee''. I think this is also fine to keep since Mr. Game & Watch is a ''Smash'' invention.
*[[Lucario]]: Official debut is ''Pokémon Diamond and Pearl'', cameoed in ''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon'' beforehand.
*[[Sonic]]: Official debut is ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' (1991), cameoed in ''Rad Mobile'' beforehand.
*[[Toon Link]]: Official debut is ''The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker'', "toon" artstyle first appeared in ''The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords''.
*[[Little Mac]]: Official debut is ''Punch-Out!!'' arcade. Could probably just make a slight tweak to say that "Little Mac" as a name debuted in the NES version.
*[[Banjo]]: Official debut is ''Banjo-Kazooie'', appeared in ''Diddy Kong Racing'' beforehand.
*[[Byleth]]: Official debut is ''Fire Emblem: Three Houses'', appeared in ''Fire Emblem Heroes'' beforehand.
*[[Steve]] (and other ''Minecraft'' characters): 2011 is considered ''Minecraft''{{'}}s official release date, but 2009 is when the first public alpha was released. This is probably worth a separate discussion, but I think this is fine to keep as well.
The basic idea is to avoid unnecessary clutter and go with the concise official answer, regardless of any previous appearances. As Miles put it, "If someone (somehow) doesn't know what game Cloud first appeared in, they should be able to go to the infobox and see 'Final Fantasy VII (1997)' without any extraneous information". Same deal with all the other characters. Maybe changing the infobox parameter to "official debut" would help clarify this as well. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 20:15, January 14, 2021 (EST)
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