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Supporters of a full ban claim that the technique is too powerful, as it is inescapable and almost always leads to a KO. They argue that wobbling's guaranteed stock loss punishes opponents too severely for making small mistakes, and forces opponents into a playstyle of avoiding the grab at all costs, which creates frustrating and overcentralizing gameplay. Supporters of a ban also note that there are other ways for the Ice Climbers to punish off a grab, such as their hand-off [[chain grab]]s, which are only a true infinite when done near the edge of the stage (due to the CPU AI's throw behavior); they are more difficult to perform and have a higher chance of being dropped due to a misinput by the performer. They also claim that Wobbling is an uninteresting technique to watch in matches, potentially deterring spectators from wanting to view streamed matches where wobbling is taking place. | Supporters of a full ban claim that the technique is too powerful, as it is inescapable and almost always leads to a KO. They argue that wobbling's guaranteed stock loss punishes opponents too severely for making small mistakes, and forces opponents into a playstyle of avoiding the grab at all costs, which creates frustrating and overcentralizing gameplay. Supporters of a ban also note that there are other ways for the Ice Climbers to punish off a grab, such as their hand-off [[chain grab]]s, which are only a true infinite when done near the edge of the stage (due to the CPU AI's throw behavior); they are more difficult to perform and have a higher chance of being dropped due to a misinput by the performer. They also claim that Wobbling is an uninteresting technique to watch in matches, potentially deterring spectators from wanting to view streamed matches where wobbling is taking place. | ||
Opponents of a ban claim that Wobbling is a legitimate tactic, acting no different from other zero-to-death combos, such as {{SSBM|Fox}}'s [[shine spike]] at the edge, {{SSBM|Marth}}'s {{Mvsub|Marth|SSBM|back throw}} to {{Mvsub|Marth|SSBM|down tilt}} edgeguard on the space animals, and {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}}'s {{Mvsub|Jigglypuff|SSBM|up throw}} to [[Rest]] combo on the space animals. As Wobbling itself requires falling into the Ice Climbers' below-average grab range, they argue that consistently being Wobbled or losing matches solely to Wobbling also reflects poor fundamental play and [[matchup]] experience. Opponents of the ban also argue that Wobbling compensates for the many weaknesses that the Ice Climbers have at top-level play, such as their poor aerial combat, and that all characters, Ice Climbers included, should be allowed to have as many advantages as possible to succeed. They point out that Wobbling can allow for upsets to occur in tournaments, and improves character diversity at top-level play (for example, by improving {{SSBM|Peach}}'s tournament viability, as she is considered the hardest [[counter (matchup)|counter]] to the Ice Climbers). At {{Trn | Opponents of a ban claim that Wobbling is a legitimate tactic, acting no different from other zero-to-death combos, such as {{SSBM|Fox}}'s [[shine spike]] at the edge, {{SSBM|Marth}}'s {{Mvsub|Marth|SSBM|back throw}} to {{Mvsub|Marth|SSBM|down tilt}} edgeguard on the space animals, and {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}}'s {{Mvsub|Jigglypuff|SSBM|up throw}} to [[Rest]] combo on the space animals. As Wobbling itself requires falling into the Ice Climbers' below-average grab range, they argue that consistently being Wobbled or losing matches solely to Wobbling also reflects poor fundamental play and [[matchup]] experience. Opponents of the ban also argue that Wobbling compensates for the many weaknesses that the Ice Climbers have at top-level play, such as their poor aerial combat, and that all characters, Ice Climbers included, should be allowed to have as many advantages as possible to succeed. They point out that Wobbling can allow for upsets to occur in tournaments, and improves character diversity at top-level play (for example, by improving {{SSBM|Peach}}'s tournament viability, as she is considered the hardest [[counter (matchup)|counter]] to the Ice Climbers). At {{Trn:EVO 2013}}, for instance, Wobbles defeated several top-level players en route to a second-place finish, including {{sm|Lord}}, {{sm|Shroomed}}, {{sm|PPMD}}, {{sm|Hungrybox}}, and {{Sm|Mango}}. | ||
===History of wobbling bans=== | ===History of wobbling bans=== | ||
Prior to 2013, when ''Melee'' communities were more scattered, every tournament had their own stance on wobbling; some tournaments allowed the technique, while others banned it. Following {{Trn|EVO 2013}} (where wobbling was legal), and ''Melee''{{'}}s ensuing rise in popularity, tournament rulesets generally became more unified, and as a result, wobbling was legal at nearly all tournaments from 2013 to the beginning of 2019. {{Sm|Juggleguy}} was well-known as a fierce opposer of legalizing wobbling, and he banned it at his events in [[Michigan]], including [[The Big House]]. He eventually decided to allow wobbling at his events, arguing that Michigan smashers needed practice fighting against the technique should they choose to compete in other regions.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/35ubx5/juggleguy_unbans_wobbling/|title=Juggleguy unbans wobbling}}</ref> | Prior to 2013, when ''Melee'' communities were more scattered, every tournament had their own stance on wobbling; some tournaments allowed the technique, while others banned it. Following {{Trn|EVO 2013}} (where wobbling was legal), and ''Melee''{{'}}s ensuing rise in popularity, tournament rulesets generally became more unified, and as a result, wobbling was legal at nearly all tournaments from 2013 to the beginning of 2019. {{Sm|Juggleguy}} was well-known as a fierce opposer of legalizing wobbling, and he banned it at his events in [[Michigan]], including [[The Big House]]. He eventually decided to allow wobbling at his events, arguing that Michigan smashers needed practice fighting against the technique should they choose to compete in other regions.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/35ubx5/juggleguy_unbans_wobbling/|title=Juggleguy unbans wobbling}}</ref> | ||
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"Wobbler" is a slang term used to refer to an Ice Climbers player who relies heavily on landing a grab to wobble their opponent.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/NintendudeSSB/status/1318601754662100993|title=Nintendude's "wobbler" tweet}}</ref> | "Wobbler" is a slang term used to refer to an Ice Climbers player who relies heavily on landing a grab to wobble their opponent.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/NintendudeSSB/status/1318601754662100993|title=Nintendude's "wobbler" tweet}}</ref> | ||
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