Editing User talk:Toomai/New icon comparisons

==Looking Good So Far==
But would it be a bother to get a different icon for the Ice Climbers in SSBM? It looks like there's an item spawning behind Nana, which doesn't look so good to me. If you think it's fine, then don't bother, but I say a different image would be beneficial. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 10:20, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
:That burst effect actually belongs to Belay, which was the only way I could figure to get the two far enough apart to see both faces yet close enough to be reasonably zoomed in. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Researcher 10:50, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
::They look really good. [[User:Zeldasmash|<font color="gold">'''Zelda'''</font><font color="green">'''smash'''</font>]][[File:ZeldaSymbol.png|25px]][[User talk:Zeldasmash|''<span style="color: darkblue;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 19:44, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

==Opinions==
===Support===
# '''Strong support:''' Finally, a fresh coat of paint. All of the old icons were taken from some other place anyway. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 18:24, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
# '''Strong support:''' In this way were not copying anything. :P [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Hydralisk]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 18:36, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
# There can't be much more to add. '''Support''' [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:51, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support:''' I had mixed feeling when I first saw them, but now I've come to like them. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 18:56, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support:''' They look good, but Link's (''Brawl'') icon could have been a bit better. All look good. [[User:Zeldasmash|<font color="gold">'''Zelda'''</font><font color="green">'''smash'''</font>]][[File:ZeldaSymbol.png|25px]][[User talk:Zeldasmash|''<span style="color: darkblue;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 19:44, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support''' [[User:Captain Falcon|<span style="color: black;">'''Captain Falcon'''</span>]] [[User talk: Captain Falcon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 03:10, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Very strong support:''' Although some don't have names, it'll be just as easy to understand who they are. The images also seem closer to the characters' faces. [[User:MeleeMarth01|<font color="blue">'''Melee'''</font>]][[User talk:MeleeMarth01|<font color="red">'''Marth'''</font>]][[User:MeleeMarth01/SSB4 Roster Contest|<font color="seablue">'''01'''</font>]][[File:MM01Sig.png|19px]] 22:00, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Weak support''': I don't care one way or the other, but since this is what the wiki seems to want... '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 23:02, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Moderate Support''': the brawl images do not need fixing. Another thing our images aren't the official ones from Nintendo (if the old ones weren't originated from there please tell me). The other two games are fine. [[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:silver;font-family:arial black">'''LightningBlue:</font>]] [[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:black;font-family:arial black">'''Music is Power'''</font>]] 23:09, 22 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support''': I think they are well done overall. However, I think that the picture of the Ice Climbers together and the picture of Popo could be cause for some ambiguity. I liked the name tags, although that would be redundant now as mostly everyone who uses this site already knows the characters' names. [[User:Hawk 21|<font color="maroon">'''Hawk'''</font> <font color="orange">'''21'''</font>]][[File:FZeroSymbol.png|25px]][[User talk:Hawk 21|''<span style="color: red;">'''Talk'''</span>'']]  01:37, 23 March 2012 (EDT)
#:The individual Ice Climbers pictures are more for completeness than anything; there's currently not much I can see that would use them (like the Zelda/Sheik icon for Melee; could be useful later, but not necessarily now). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Victorious 07:51, 23 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support''' Looks great <span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 17:26, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support:''' Looks good to me. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:48, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

===Oppose===

#I liked having the names on the SSB & SSBM characters. The pics look worse than before (but the SSB ones, which are improved). Definitely keep the old SSBB pics. <span style="font-family:Andalus; font-size:12pt">[[User:MetaIke|<font color="indigo">'''Meta'''</font>]] [[User talk:Meta Ike|<font color="purple">'''Ike'''</font>]]</span> [[File:MetaIke.png|34px]]  21:40, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

===Neutral===
#'''Meh.''' No real benefit; no real loss. They're pretty comparable to me, though I must say I really don't see the point in going through and replacing them. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:43, 23 March 2012 (EDT)
#:The intent with this is to get consistency between the icons of the three games. The current system has two sets of .pngs with names and round yet non-transparent corners against one set of .gifs with a different aspect ratio and naming system - now everything is an equally-sized .png with the same borders and naming convention. Replacing them will be a pain, but that's what you have to do sometimes. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Victorious 07:51, 23 March 2012 (EDT)
#Support for some icons, oppose for others. [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]]) 07:10, 25 March 2012 (EDT)
#'''Support, but''' I don't know if it's just me, but [[:File:LinkIcon(SSBB).png]] has a background that is too close of a color to Link's face, which makes it hard to see if not displayed at full resolution. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 16:56, 25 March 2012 (EDT)


==Question==

April is soon upon us. Soon we will go about replacing old icons. I have some suggestions for this to make it easier on us;
:A) Reupload the old icon pictures with the new icon pictures.
:B) Delete all the old icons and rename the new ones using the old naming system to avoid browser refreshing problems.
:D) Or, stick with the suggested plan of replacing each and every instance of the old icon usage.
The main reason I bring this up is last one seems rather monotonous to me. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 22:20, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
:I think a good idea would be to delete the old ones and turn them into redirects, then slowly change them over a longer period of time. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Non-Toxic 23:41, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
:Let me elaborate on why your two ideas are implausible at best:
:#The old icons were ~60px at biggest, with the Brawl ones being ~50px-ish wide. As a result many of them have been used without a size specifier - which means that the new 100x100 icons will cause serious ballooning with a straight replacement.
:#Part of the reason why I did this was to replace the naming system. The Melee one had unusual shortcuts; the Brawl one was completely out of sync with the other two.
:#The old Brawl icons are .gifs, the new ones are .pngs. You cannot upload a .png into a .gif filename, and if you're saving a .png as a .gif you might as well write a story without vowels. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 17:20, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

== Adding nowiki tags to user pages ==

To facilitate the changeover, would it be reasonable to add nowiki tags to userpages of users who are unregistered and/or inactive? This would greatly reduce the time and effort required to purge the userspace of the old icons. If any aforementioned users became active or made an account, they could simply remove the tags and switch the icons themselves. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 22:22, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
:I guess that's an option, though it would significantly complicate the process of finding references to the old icons. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Eggster 09:54, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
::I would oppose this, because of the above reason, and also that it generally doesn't look neat. Really, this is the kind of task a bot would handle, but I'd still rather us do it all manually than just sticking nowiki in front of it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:55, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

== How to replace icons ==

This procedure will require the use of the "search and replace" function, which on Windows is performed by pressing "Ctrl+H" and on Macs, "⌘ Cmd+F". The actions "find" and "replace" shall be understood to refer to this function. 

#Copy the section of the user page with the relevant file links from the page source into a word processor or text editor, such as Microsoft Word or Notepad++.
#Initiate the aforementioned "search and replace" function.
#Determine which game the icons are from, and locate the corresponding table below. 
#Enter the text from the '''Find''' column into the relevant field in the dialogue box and likewise with the '''Replace''' column. 
##Use either the '''Image:''' or the '''File:''' prefixes, depending on the code. 
#Replace the text, and repeat until all the icons have been switched. Items in ''italics'' may or may not have to be replaced, depending on the content of the page. 
#Copy the text back into the user page, preview it, and save if satisfactory. 

===SSB===
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
!Find!!Replace
|-
|File:SSBIcon
|rowspan="2" | File:
|-
|Image:SSBIcon
|-
|.png||Icon(SSB).png
|-
|''DK''||''DonkeyKong''
|}

===SSBM===
{|class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
!Find!!Replace
|-
|File:SSBMIcon
|rowspan="2" | File:
|-
|Image:SSBMIcon
|-
|.png||Icon(SSBM).png
|-
|''DK''||''DonkeyKong''
|-
|''Doc''||''DrMario''
|-
|''GAW''||''MrGame&Watch''
|}

===SSBB===

{|class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
!Find!!Replace
|-
|File:Icon-
|rowspan="2" | File:
|-
|Image:Icon-
|-
|.gif||Icon(SSBB).png
|-
|''donkeykong''||''DonkeyKong''
|-
|''diddykong''||''DiddyKong''
|-
|''toonlink''||''ToonLink''
|-
|''zeldasheik''||''ZeldaSheik''
|-
|''zerosuitsamus''||''ZeroSuitSamus''
|-
|''metaknight''||''MetaKnight''
|-
|''kingdedede''||''KingDedede''
|-
|''pokemontrainer''||''PokémonTrainer''
|-
|''captainfalcon''||''CaptainFalcon''
|-
|''iceclimbers''||''IceClimbers''
|-
|''mrgame&watch''||''MrGame&Watch''
|}

These instructions might better belong on a subpage, but I want some feedback first. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 21:51, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
:Some notes:
:#You can replace things with a blank, so you don't need to include the Image:/File: when getting rid of the old prefixes.
:#The é of Pokémon Trainer isn't strictly necessary, as there's a redirect in place. Still preferred though.
:#A note about size should be added. 50px is the standard for userboxes, 40px is the tier list standard, etc. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Frivolous 22:57, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

== What? ==

Before I left this place, I proposed replacing the character icons, and nobody thought it was a good idea. Now a bureaucrat does it, and it's praised like hell. Why? --[[User:PSIWolf|PSIWolf]], 4:44, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
:Because you suggested changing them into the character roster icons. And that would have been boring. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 14:58, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
::No I did not. Did you people even listen to me?--[[File:PSIWolf sig 1.png|19px]] '''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 08:43, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
:::From [[Talk:Tier list#Icons|here]], you said "'''''We could use the character selection screen icons'''''". You also didn't present any new images to replace the old icons with, other than your suggestion to use the character select portraits. Compared to Toomai's proposal, where he got new icons for '''every character in each game''' before making his proposal, so we could '''directly compare the new icons to the old icons we had'''. He also made his proposal proper, while your "proposal" was a half-assed suggestion at best.

:::Now stop being a disrespectful brat, your proposal wasn't rejected because you're not a bureaucrat, your proposal was rejected because it was half-assed and offered nothing substantial. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:26, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

::::''From [[Talk:Tier list#Icons|here]], you said "'''''We could use the character selection screen icons'''''".

::::That is true, but I know that wasn't a good idea (and I said that not long after I suggested it).

::::''You also didn't present any new images to replace the old icons with''

::::As a matter of fact, I did. But I don't think it's on the wiki anymore.

::::Anyway, I'm happy that there are new icons now, no matter where they were from, and you were right about my behaviour; I just didn't get it.--[[File:PSIWolf sig 3.png|19px]] '''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color=#6E0000>P</font><font color=#A50000>S</font><font color=#DC0000>I</font><font color=#FF0000>W</font><font color=#FF3700>o</font><font color=#FF6E00>lf</font>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color=#0000ff>T</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color=#0000ff>C</font>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<font color=#0000ff>E</font>]]) 09:32, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

== Ending ==

According to the old images' pages, they are no longer being used by anything expect this page. As such I will begin deleting them if there is no opposition against it here within a few days. The redlinks here will be encased in nowiki tags for posterity. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 10:27, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
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