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| :I never heard of any proof of them not being nerfed. I hope they are. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:33, 3 February 2016 (EST) | | :I never heard of any proof of them not being nerfed. I hope they are. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:33, 3 February 2016 (EST) |
| ::I hope that they stay the same. Someone so popular should have the matchup learned. [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 22:35, 3 February 2016 (EST) | | ::I hope that they stay the same. Someone so popular should have the matchup learned. [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 22:35, 3 February 2016 (EST) |
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| Few weeks ago, I notice that there's a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeSjNxfqb1M video] posted about Smash 4, Sheik, and balancing.
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| In Free for all matches, this is one of the factor that they do not see any desirable buffs/nerfs on one character. Characters played in free for all, team up, or played with the items. So the team is far less likely to make an extensive changes to a character. Not every characters can excel in free for all environments. Sheik for instance lacks any hard hitting move that can cause high damage and knockback. She doesn't rack up too much damage in that situation and can have trouble killing; you are not gonna combo easily in free for all with items unless it is down to 1v1. Bowser has hard hitting attacks with heavy lag. His flaw makes it less competitive. In the free for all, that makes him have more advantage (distractions for instance). This is where Sakurai and his team looked at consistently.
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| Not the main focus for the 1v1 for Sakurai's team. Hard to judge and needs to be very very specific. Diddy Kong for instance is very dominating character that is easy to use prior before the patch; last year, an extreme outcry cause Sakurai to respond and nerf him. When Zero won with Diddy Kong at Chokaigi 2015, Diddy was nerfed more.
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| Character's role. Well this is the big one. Character's role is where character has attributes to fulfill their need. If it is not unique, it is rejected. For example, Mario is all rounded character. Sheik's role is being a very quick character that chains her attacks with low damage input. If you find the character's trailer for Sheik, you see they wanted Sheik to be more of combo orientated role. The wants for many people to nerf Sheik or ZSS is not gonna happen, because Sakurai believe that that would impact too much on character's role.
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| In my conclusion, many people failed to consider with the overall game and character (not to mention three factors on balance). Some people underestimate about difficulty on performing Sheik's combos and Zss's combos. They are not easy to perform. Sheik has a very high learning curve. You will need to show dedication to play very good. You won't be able to see very good Sheik players outside of Vinnie, ZeRo, Mr. R, VoiD, or other great Sheik players. ZSS is not easy either. Again, you won't be able to see great ZSS players outside of Nairo, Choco, Mars and other great ZSS players. I believe people need to learn how to deal with Needles, Vanish, and character's playstyle properly. If they don't and wanted it to be nerf, then it's their problem.
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| Also read the [http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/06/11/the-act-of-balancing-sakurai-famitsu-column-vol-480/ article about Sakurai's act of balencing characters]. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 23:25, 3 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::[https://twitter.com/ShinyQuagsire/status/695089014114660354] Looks like they are changes to Sheik and ZSS. Sheik is likely nerfed as all patches before she was nerfed (where they where changes made to her), I doubt they'd buff ZSS also. People already studied the Sheik matchup but that isn't going to make her that much more balanced. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 00:22, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::::Ethan7: Not sure if it is true. I say we have to wait until data mining is finished. If it is, then it has to be something that is almost not relevant. Nairo mentioned that Sheik and Zss are untouched in the patches. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 01:15, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::Also if you can look at [https://gist.github.com/shinyquagsire23/959d3f09a7bdc3cb89ce data mine]. It appears that Sheik has a change in effect and Zero Suit Samus has a change in game. This could be irrelevant. I could be wrong, but I don't see change in attack data for Sheik and Zero Suit Samus. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 01:25, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::::::All that was discovered appears to be a weight loss by one point for all characters in S tier. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 12:16, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::::Neither a buff nor a nerf. As I mentioned on edit summary, it has to be determine by case by case. Not just survival; other factors. For instance, if something that has more advantage that outweights its disadvantage, then it's a buff and not a nerf. 13:39, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| Lemme handle him. Just want to see him do something so I undo it calmly and he sees that. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 13:31, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :All right. Let me know, if this gets out of control. Usually, I spam recent change button, react, and revert very fast if I see vandalism when I check in. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 13:40, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::Welp, I have auto-refresh so it doesn't matter to me. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 13:42, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :::Also if it is still persistent and annoying, I will be involve in that situation (ex. if it's been nearly 1 hour since vandal occurs). [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 14:00, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::::Hey, if any of you (Luigi540 or Ethan7) get vandalized, feel free to revert it. As for me getting vandalized... I'll be fine, I'll do it myself. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:04, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :::::So I let you take care of your own page. Anything else I'll rollback. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 14:05, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::That will be the same thing for me. But what if you're not here BeepYou? [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 14:06, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| (Reset) We can work as a team to rollback anything negative this punk does. If I'm not here... well... then you both do it. And if we're not here... it's not like [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan]] doesn't have rollback. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:08, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :Looks like he screwed off and left. Which is great! But with so many people willing to revert edits like this, it's pretty hard to get proof for RfR. Heh... [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 14:13, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| Thanks for the teamwork on cleaning up that mess. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:15, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :Thanks for disposing of him. And sorry Rob, you came late to the massacre :/ --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:16, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::RobSir: It is, but it wasn't that bad, although I don't know the chance of encountering vandals since I'm never around sometimes (mostly because of college work) along with the user's reaction timing (for me, at least 1 second after vandal's edit with spamming recent change and reverting quickly). In my last RfR, I have to bring up 3 different content sites with different users that vandalizes any page (removing content) and passed it.
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| ::Miles: No problem. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 14:22, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| That's fine by me. If you want, I can get started on implementing that format for the pages I typically edit in order to get it done. Just let me know how the format looks and I'll get on it ASAP. [[Special:Contributions/173.171.56.222|173.171.56.222]] 10:52, 12 March 2016 (EST)
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| :What I did on bullet points was to integrate them (ex. nerfed move on damage, KB, reasoning etc in one bullet point).
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| :There is an exception however. Nerf is not always a nerf and buff is not always a buff. For instance, depending on knowledgeable user, who knows about the character, if there is an exception like how buff override the nerf, then it's always a buff regardless of the nerf. That will be the same thing for nerf. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 11:30, 12 March 2016 (EST)
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| All of the rollbacks you did were not edits that called for rolling back in any way. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:04, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :He explained it in the first undo so it's fine... Much faster than undoing all of them <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 23:05, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I'm still not entirely comfortable with it, but alright. :l [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:07, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :::I usually follow guidelines and examples about when to use Rollbacks and when not to use it. -_- [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 23:14, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| == KO Punch ==
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| I'm serious though, KO Punch is Blockable when the attack comes out on its first frames. I have seen this because I did this. It may be a little mac exclusive because it was a ditto match with me and someone else online. [[User:Poostanky!|Poostanky!]] ([[User talk:Poostanky!|talk]]) 15:59, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
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| :Actually, Bayonetta is the only character that can counter non grab unblockable attacks like KO Punch with Witch Time (down B) (comes out on frame 5). With successful read & knowing if it is coming, she can potentially shut down useful non-grab unblockable attacks. I seen this on Bayo's move set on Nintendo trailer. Btw, Ko punch comes out on frame 9. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 16:12, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
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| For those userspace pages you marked for deletion, you could use <nowiki>{{d}}</nowiki> for the [[template:Speedy Delete|speedy deletion template]]. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 03:19, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :Either way that works. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 00:30, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
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