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| :Umm, I never fall for this ever. Any user can tell when it is a impersonator account. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 21:05, 19 August 2015 (EDT) | | :Umm, I never fall for this ever. Any user can tell when it is a impersonator account. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 21:05, 19 August 2015 (EDT) |
| ::I fell for it. I have not seen false users before. [[User:Ganonmew|Ganonmew]] ([[User talk:Ganonmew|talk]]) 21:36, 19 August 2015 (EDT) | | ::I fell for it. I have not seen false users before. [[User:Ganonmew|Ganonmew]] ([[User talk:Ganonmew|talk]]) 21:36, 19 August 2015 (EDT) |
| :::Yeah, I'm just waiting for a Serpent Queen to show up. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 22:07, 19 August 2015 (EDT)
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| == Hello. I would like to apologize for stirring up the place. ==
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| You seem to be the user most annoyed by my recent antics on the wiki. I apologize for this: I've only been on here for little over a week, thus there is a lot I don't know about (such as PSIWolf's leaving, I deeply regret doing that). Even though I've been on here for old a week, I think it would be best if I leave. I hope this means a lot less trouble for you. [[User:Ganonmew|Ganonmew]] ([[User talk:Ganonmew|talk]]) 21:39, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
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| :Uhh no. It's okay. You can still edit. My annoyance stems from people talking about the same subject (to Brian on admin noticeboard) and I got tired and frustrated by that and I understand why his behavior change. For PSIWolf, his behavior noticeably change and wanted to quit with personal attacks. Berrenta told him earlier before you do because of his edits. Next time I think you should of look at the talk page before you do new section unless one committed an recent today offense. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 21:55, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
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| ::Thanks. I'll keep watch. [[User:Ganonmew|Ganonmew]] ([[User talk:Ganonmew|talk]]) 22:47, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
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| == Hello. I would like to apologize for the Roy f-smash information. ==
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| I'd like to apologize (I'm relatively new here). After hearing all the griping about Roy's f-smash I decided to try it out and it looked absurdly fast for how strong it was. Still I agree 14 frames of start up isn't very fast. Also I din't notice that the speed was nerfed from Melee (although I have found that there is 2 frames less of end lag). Sorry about that.
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| :It's okay. Much to my frustration, I was intending to debunk its false information about Roy's f-smash being fast, by bring up the frame data. I only consider it fast, if the start up is almost instantaneous or below frame 6. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 17:08, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
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| == [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Mewtwo_(SSB4)&oldid=726915| This] ==
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| Could you be a little less harsh in your edit summaries? They are rightful but no need to call someone a retard for something they were never told (like this one, this was an edit you fixed that I made, so technically you called me out in an unnecessarily harsh way for something I didn't know). [[User:Ganonmew|Ganonmew]] ([[User talk:Ganonmew|talk]]) 19:30, 12 September 2015 (EDT)
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| :Well sorry.I'm not the only one that is hostile in wiki. Don't get me wrong, last recent edits seems to irritate me (ya know Brian's case and subjective case) to where I have to say something harsh. Now, I have some feeling and personal issues that is outside of wiki and that's why I ended up doing like that. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 19:35, 12 September 2015 (EDT)
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| ::It's fine. Just try to refrain and don't go the route Leet Beefcake did. [[User:Ganonmew|Ganonmew]] ([[User talk:Ganonmew|talk]]) 19:50, 12 September 2015 (EDT)
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| == About your edit summary... ==
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| # Sheik was not the crux of my complaints, unlike others. That should not have been hard to notice.
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| # You'd think by now that a character so popular would have the MU learned.
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| # I'm not really complaining that there were not enough nerfs, rather, I was complaining that there were not enough buffs. Yeah the Bowser, Ganon, and Samus buffs were nice, but they did not help them in the right ways (and why Dark Dive is still the way it is is a mystery).
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| # Marcina nerfs. I have a reason to be angry. They reduced Shield Breaker to nothing but a hard read now. No, it does not take advantage of the shieldstun changes because of its lag.
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| It's not like I'm calling people who think Sheik should not be nerfed Nazis; I'm just disappointed at how little the update did to improve the bad characters. Yeah the Luigi nerf was called for, but you'd think after all this time they would not be so sympathetic to Sheik (how hard is it to tak , who has dominated the metagame since even before Diddy got nerfed. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 06:31, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
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| :Don't get the wrong idea. I didn't say anything about some characters, your reaction, and little the update did besides Sheik (yes, some characters should be buffed). What it pisses me off is that players wanted Sheik to be nerfed. She is like the hardest character to learn. Yes character so popular would have MU learned. MU changes time to time as metagame evolves. By that time, players will be able to deal with Sheik's needles and her game play. If the players don't know the mu and complain about Sheik and her Needles, then it's their problem. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 01:28, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
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| ::It's all good. If anything, I want Sonic to be nerfed. The little runt... [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:58, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
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| == [[Donkey Kong (PM)]] ==
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| Why did you undo my edit on the [[Donkey Kong (PM)]] page? - [[User:Drilly Dilly|Drilly Dilly]] ([[User talk:Drilly Dilly|talk]]) 15:55, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
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| :Sorry. Didn't realize it. That was my personal mistakes. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 21:18, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
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| ::You didn't realize it was a ''Project M'' character page, correct? - [[User:Drilly Dilly|Drilly Dilly]] ([[User talk:Drilly Dilly|talk]]) 22:14, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
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| I'm getting quite irritated of you inflating the severity of a [[User talk:PSIWolf#Ay!|mistake]]. Yeah INoMed shouldn't have done that, but it was entirely unnecessary to [[User talk:INoMed|bring it to his talk page]] (except INoMed really shouldn't have done that and I'm not defending him). [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 17:06, 1 November 2015 (EST)
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| Sheik and ZSS not being nerfed. I'm fine what it, but my bro isn't ( He hates both of them with a burning passion, especially ZSS.), so he wants an explanation. [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 22:32, 3 February 2016 (EST)
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| :I never heard of any proof of them not being nerfed. I hope they are. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:33, 3 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::I hope that they stay the same. Someone so popular should have the matchup learned. [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 22:35, 3 February 2016 (EST)
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| Few weeks ago, I notice that there's a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeSjNxfqb1M video] posted about Smash 4, Sheik, and balancing.
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| In Free for all matches, this is one of the factor that they do not see any desirable buffs/nerfs on one character. Characters played in free for all, team up, or played with the items. So the team is far less likely to make an extensive changes to a character. Not every characters can excel in free for all environments. Sheik for instance lacks any hard hitting move that can cause high damage and knockback. She doesn't rack up too much damage in that situation and can have trouble killing; you are not gonna combo easily in free for all with items unless it is down to 1v1. Bowser has hard hitting attacks with heavy lag. His flaw makes it less competitive. In the free for all, that makes him have more advantage (distractions for instance). This is where Sakurai and his team looked at consistently.
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| Not the main focus for the 1v1 for Sakurai's team. Hard to judge and needs to be very very specific. Diddy Kong for instance is very dominating character that is easy to use prior before the patch; last year, an extreme outcry cause Sakurai to respond and nerf him. When Zero won with Diddy Kong at Chokaigi 2015, Diddy was nerfed more.
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| Character's role. Well this is the big one. Character's role is where character has attributes to fulfill their need. If it is not unique, it is rejected. For example, Mario is all rounded character. Sheik's role is being a very quick character that chains her attacks with low damage input. If you find the character's trailer for Sheik, you see they wanted Sheik to be more of combo orientated role. The wants for many people to nerf Sheik or ZSS is not gonna happen, because Sakurai believe that that would impact too much on character's role.
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| In my conclusion, many people failed to consider with the overall game and character (not to mention three factors on balance). Some people underestimate about difficulty on performing Sheik's combos and Zss's combos. They are not easy to perform. Sheik has a very high learning curve. You will need to show dedication to play very good. You won't be able to see very good Sheik players outside of Vinnie, ZeRo, Mr. R, VoiD, or other great Sheik players. ZSS is not easy either. Again, you won't be able to see great ZSS players outside of Nairo, Choco, Mars and other great ZSS players. I believe people need to learn how to deal with Needles, Vanish, and character's playstyle properly. If they don't and wanted it to be nerf, then it's their problem.
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| :::[https://twitter.com/ShinyQuagsire/status/695089014114660354] Looks like they are changes to Sheik and ZSS. Sheik is likely nerfed as all patches before she was nerfed (where they where changes made to her), I doubt they'd buff ZSS also. People already studied the Sheik matchup but that isn't going to make her that much more balanced. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 00:22, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::::Ethan7: Not sure if it is true. I say we have to wait until data mining is finished. If it is, then it has to be something that is almost not relevant. Nairo mentioned that Sheik and Zss are untouched in the patches. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 01:15, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::Also if you can look at [https://gist.github.com/shinyquagsire23/959d3f09a7bdc3cb89ce data mine]. It appears that Sheik has a change in effect and Zero Suit Samus has a change in game. This could be irrelevant. I could be wrong, but I don't see change in attack data for Sheik and Zero Suit Samus. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 01:25, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| :::::::All that was discovered appears to be a weight loss by one point for all characters in S tier. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 12:16, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::::Neither a buff nor a nerf. As I mentioned on edit summary, it has to be determine by case by case. Not just survival; other factors. For instance, if something that has more advantage that outweights its disadvantage, then it's a buff and not a nerf. 13:39, 4 February 2016 (EST)
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| Lemme handle him. Just want to see him do something so I undo it calmly and he sees that. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 13:31, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :All right. Let me know, if this gets out of control. Usually, I spam recent change button, react, and revert very fast if I see vandalism when I check in. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 13:40, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::Welp, I have auto-refresh so it doesn't matter to me. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 13:42, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :::Also if it is still persistent and annoying, I will be involve in that situation (ex. if it's been nearly 1 hour since vandal occurs). [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 14:00, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::::Hey, if any of you (Luigi540 or Ethan7) get vandalized, feel free to revert it. As for me getting vandalized... I'll be fine, I'll do it myself. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:04, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :::::So I let you take care of your own page. Anything else I'll rollback. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 14:05, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::::::That will be the same thing for me. But what if you're not here BeepYou? [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 14:06, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| (Reset) We can work as a team to rollback anything negative this punk does. If I'm not here... well... then you both do it. And if we're not here... it's not like [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan]] doesn't have rollback. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:08, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :Looks like he screwed off and left. Which is great! But with so many people willing to revert edits like this, it's pretty hard to get proof for RfR. Heh... [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span><span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]] [[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px|link=http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/8/8d/G%26WTheme.ogg]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 14:13, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| Thanks for the teamwork on cleaning up that mess. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:15, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| :Thanks for disposing of him. And sorry Rob, you came late to the massacre :/ --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:16, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| ::RobSir: It is, but it wasn't that bad, although I don't know the chance of encountering vandals since I'm never around sometimes (mostly because of college work) along with the user's reaction timing (for me, at least 1 second after vandal's edit with spamming recent change and reverting quickly). In my last RfR, I have to bring up 3 different content sites with different users that vandalizes any page (removing content) and passed it.
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| ::Miles: No problem. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 14:22, 11 March 2016 (EST)
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| That's fine by me. If you want, I can get started on implementing that format for the pages I typically edit in order to get it done. Just let me know how the format looks and I'll get on it ASAP. [[Special:Contributions/173.171.56.222|173.171.56.222]] 10:52, 12 March 2016 (EST)
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| :What I did on bullet points was to integrate them (ex. nerfed move on damage, KB, reasoning etc in one bullet point).
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| :There is an exception however. Nerf is not always a nerf and buff is not always a buff. For instance, depending on knowledgeable user, who knows about the character, if there is an exception like how buff override the nerf, then it's always a buff regardless of the nerf. That will be the same thing for nerf. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 11:30, 12 March 2016 (EST)
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| All of the rollbacks you did were not edits that called for rolling back in any way. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:04, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :He explained it in the first undo so it's fine... Much faster than undoing all of them <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 23:05, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| ::I'm still not entirely comfortable with it, but alright. :l [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 23:07, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| :::I usually follow guidelines and examples about when to use Rollbacks and when not to use it. -_- [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 23:14, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
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| I'm serious though, KO Punch is Blockable when the attack comes out on its first frames. I have seen this because I did this. It may be a little mac exclusive because it was a ditto match with me and someone else online. [[User:Poostanky!|Poostanky!]] ([[User talk:Poostanky!|talk]]) 15:59, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
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| :Actually, Bayonetta is the only character that can counter non grab unblockable attacks like KO Punch with Witch Time (down B) (comes out on frame 5). With successful read & knowing if it is coming, she can potentially shut down useful non-grab unblockable attacks. I seen this on Bayo's move set on Nintendo trailer. Btw, Ko punch comes out on frame 9. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 16:12, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
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| For those userspace pages you marked for deletion, you could use <nowiki>{{d}}</nowiki> for the [[template:Speedy Delete|speedy deletion template]]. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 03:19, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :Either way that works. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540#top|talk]]) 00:30, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
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