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| :K, and also if there are a lot of new assist trophy universes, can I also add assist trophy universes under like... Idk tertiary universes when the game comes out? [[User:AwesomeGamer]] [[User talk:AwesomeGamer]] 11:04, 18 March 2014. (EST) | | :K, and also if there are a lot of new assist trophy universes, can I also add assist trophy universes under like... Idk tertiary universes when the game comes out? [[User:AwesomeGamer]] [[User talk:AwesomeGamer]] 11:04, 18 March 2014. (EST) |
| ::I have splitted it to primary and secondary universes! :D [[Special:Contributions/86.92.255.223|86.92.255.223]] 07:46, 13 April 2014 (EDT) | | ::I have splitted it to primary and secondary universes! :D [[Special:Contributions/86.92.255.223|86.92.255.223]] 07:46, 13 April 2014 (EDT) |
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| It was me who suggested this before I got a proper account so I'm thinking after Smash 4 is released we give this page an overhaul and split the universes down more so it's easier to tell them apart. I'm thinking Host (Smash, Subspace and Special), Primary (Ones with characters), Secondary (ones with stages), Assist (obvious) and Misc for ones with none of the above three. i.e. the ones that don't merit universe pages. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 15:57, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
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| == Streetpass Universe? ==
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| At the end of the page, I noticed that Mii Force is considered its own universe. (Whaa?). Should this not be merged into the Streetpass Quest universe, and have it renamed the Streetpass universe? [[User:Harro|Harro]] ([[User talk:Harro|talk]]) 08:07, 2 August 2014 (EDT)
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| :The Find Mii stage uses a crown as its icon, seemingly denoting it as its own entity. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:58, 5 September 2014 (EDT)
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| ==Minor Universe Cleanup==
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| I've noticed that some of the descriptions for various minor universes go into far more detail than others, regardless of how much the universe is represented in Smash. Should we give detailed descriptions for every universe, (see: Magical Vacation for a VERY detailed description of a universe that is represented by some stickers and three trophies.) or should they get minimal description of the franchise (see: Panel de Pon, a universe with a half-line description that at least contributes an item.). [[User:Megaoverlord12|Megaoverlord12]] ([[User talk:Megaoverlord12|talk]]) 08:38, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
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| : I'm going to give this clean-up a try. I'm thinking universes that have an assist trophy or enemy get a section an ones restricted to Trophies or other get another. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 11:55, 2 October 2014 (EDT)
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| :: Seems like a good idea. [[User:Megaoverlord12|Megaoverlord12]] ([[User talk:Megaoverlord12|talk]]) 07:58, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
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| == Music Minor Universes ==
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| I found some a list of the default music in Smash 4 WiiU and I found a few minor universes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nskutrnpuE
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| Namley Soma Bringer, the 3DS AR games, Culdcept and Captain Rainbow. Culdept caught my eye in particular because according to the overwiki(pedia) Nintendo doesn't own it. Is this the first third party music not repped by a playable character? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:03, 7 November 2014 (EST)
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| :Culdept is owned by SEGA, so I'd say yes, it is. <span style="background-color:orange;border:2px solid blue;border-radius:7px;">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:yellow">'''Rtzxy'''</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:brown">'''''Reflect!!!'''</span>]]</span> 19:08, 7 November 2014 (EST)
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| :: Of all their not-Hedgehog series that was the one they included music from? Weird. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:34, 7 November 2014 (EST)
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| == Mii Costumes ==
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| As Mii Costumes affect gameplay, at least in an aesthetic sense ans cost money if any costumes based on current minor (or non-existant) universes get made should they become secondary universes? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:09, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
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| :We'll cross that bridge if/when it becomes relevant. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:14, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
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| :: It's now relevant. Someone already put it on the minor universes page but let's have the discussion, own page or not? I say if not then at least add the pictures of the outfits and hat to the minor universe page. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 13:13, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
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| :::I find it hard to justify putting a DLC costume as higher priority than series with music and/or collectables in multiple Smash games. As far as images, that's not how that page is structured (it's lengthy enough as is). It should simply cross-link to the Mii Fighter section of [[Alternate costume (SSB4)]], which does have the pictures. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:46, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
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| ::::Fair enough. But do the Inklings get their own page? I'll just be here hoping for them to appear as DLC characters in their own right.[[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 13:52, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
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| :::::That's an ambiguous situation. At the moment I'm inclined to say no; while we do have [[Proto Man]], [[X]], [[Dunban]], and [[Majora's Mask]] pages, they already appeared in major roles in the game as assist characters, Smash Tour items, and so on. Inklings don't exist in the game outside a DLC costume, not even as a trophy. I am a bit hesitant to rush to give them a page based on a costume alone. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:00, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
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| == Separate page for Secondary Universes? ==
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| I've been wondering about something: Should we make a page for the secondary universes (The universes that are represented with an item, an Assist Trophy, and/or an enemy at best, but no stage or playable character) if we get too many to fill up on the regular Universe page? The Secondary Universes category is pretty big as it is, and with Ultimate promising to bring in 50+ Assist Trophies and potentially many new items, we could very well see many new secondary universes to justify a separate page. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 19:42, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
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| :Yeah, I feel like that might be worthwhile. The section is already quite the wall of text and I'm sure there's more information we could add if we had more space. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 19:44, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
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| :: While we're at it, I think we should separate the Universes that have stages but not playable characters from the ones that do have playable characters. There's not enough of them to warrant a page, so we should put them in a new category on the main Universes page (Not sure what to call the category, though). [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 19:52, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
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| Personally, I think we should abbreviate the descriptions of these secondary series further and try to instead flesh out their standalone pages rather than dumping all the descriptions here. (I mean, I tagged [[Golden Sun (universe)]] for improvement like a year ago...) [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:56, 23 July 2018 (EDT)
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| == So, about Joker's inclusion... ==
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| Should his universe page be about the ''Megami Tensei'' series in general or just the ''Persona'' sub-series? [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 00:01, 7 December 2018 (EST)
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| :I'm personally leaning towards the "Persona" name, since he's from "'''''Persona''' 5''". [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 00:01, 7 December 2018 (EST)
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| ::It would depend on which series the ''Ultimate'' website classifies him as, wouldn't it? The description of the series on the wiki, if ''Persona'' (or ''Persona 5'' like ''Final Fantasy VII'') is what they go with, would probably '''mention''' that ''Persona'' is a sub-series of ''Megami Tensei''. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 00:05, 7 December 2018 (EST)
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| == Wild Gunman and Hogan's Alley. ==
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| You know, ''Wild Gunman'' and ''Hogan's Alley'' have been sitting on the "Secondary universes" section for quite a long time, but it's kinda weird not to have pages for them.
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| We could move them to the {{uv|Duck Hunt}} universe page, but unlike with the {{uv|R.O.B.}} games, the Light Gun games don't seem to be designed to be a part of the same series/franchise, just as games that just so happened to be compatible with the same peripheral, so that wouldn't make much sense.
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| We can't move them to the [[List of minor universes]] page either because there's content from both games that actually do something in battle aside from being stat-boosters (I'm referring to [[stickers]] and [[spirits]] as the stat-boosters, by the way).
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| Another obstacle is that they don't fit into any of the categories in the Universe template, and they seem less notable than the Assist Trophy series, but are tied to a playable character, so it's hard to determine where to place them.
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| So, should we actually give these games some deserved love and give them their own page, or shall they just be pageless universes for the rest of eternity? [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 01:59, 5 March 2019 (EST)
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| :I think these games should be counted as a universe, because I noticed they are called "Light Gun Series" in [[Trophy Box]].--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 02:16, 5 March 2019 (EST)
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| == Has Nintendo ever called a series a universe before? ==
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| I know I’m 12 years late on this, but I’ve never seen a series referred to as a universe before. Has there been any sort of source as to why we called it a universe instead of a series on this wiki? [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:18, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| :It's what the entirety of the Smash fanbase calls it, so even if there is no source, it's irrelevant. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 19:22, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Really? I’ve never seen anybody call it a universe outside of this wiki. I’m not suggesting a move, but I’ve just never heard anybody call it a universe. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:28, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::https://www.smashbros.com/wii/en_us/gamemode/various/various05.html This page uses the term universe near the bottom for what its worth. [[User:Xm0c|Xm0c]] ([[User talk:Xm0c|talk]]) 19:30, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::It more prominently says by series though. He trophies say “list by series”, and the website says you can list them by series. I do see where it says universe though, but it still seems more prominently called a series. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:33, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::::Actually wait a second. Universe refers to the characters, stages, and items, while series refers to the games, is hat correct? [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:34, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| <small>(Reset indent) </small> Any universe page on this wiki describes a universe as something that "refers to the Super Smash Bros. series' collection of characters, stages, and properties hailing from [short description of franchise]". The series would refer to the games, in that sense - the media itself is from the series of games. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 19:36, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| :Ah that makes sense. Thank you. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 19:37, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Regarding individual universes and their pages... ==
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| When it comes to the lists of arrangements for games after 64 (since only one composer worked on that game), should the arranger be credited alongside each remix? I feel like that's something worth adding, even with the list of composers page existing. [[User:PikaPhantom|PikaPhantom]] ([[User talk:PikaPhantom|talk]]) 10:21, July 4, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Difference ==
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| What is the major difference between a universe and a series? [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 00:15, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
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| :The universe strictly refers to, as it implies, the universe the games are set in - things that can only happen over there. A series takes place within a universe. That said, people do tend to use them interchangeably (at least, from what I've noticed) - "Mario universe" and "Mario series" would mean the same thing, for example. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 00:23, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Wild Gunman and Hogan's Alley...again ==
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| I know I've made a discussion about this before, but I might as well give this issue a go again, as I have some new stuff to say.
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| Since we've pretty much agreed to move almost all of the minor Namco universes to the minor third-party universes page (including ''Mappy'', which is represented [[Pac-Jump|with an attack]]), I feel it makes sense to move the other two NES Zapper games (''Wild Gunman'' and ''Hogan's Alley'') to the minor Nintendo universes page rather than keep them on this one.
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| If not that, then maybe we can at least make universe infoboxes for them on the {{uv|Duck Hunt}} universe page just like how we handled the {{uv|StreetPass Mii Plaza}} universe page. While these games were never classified as their own universes (maybe aside from the Wild Gunman sticker in ''Brawl''), I feel they're more akin to the other Namco universes appearing in Pac-Man's moveset or the other SNK universes being associated with Terry than something like Cody from ''Final Fight'' only being recognized as a {{uv|Street Fighter}} character or Flicky only being recognized as a {{uv|Sonic}} character. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 15:06, October 21, 2020 (EDT)
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| == Is Kingdom Hearts a sub-universe of Final Fantasty? ==
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| My edit was reverted for being a "moon sized can of worms", which I disagree with as both series have had a huge impact on each other in the same vein as Mario and DK. Sephiroth's one wing literally originated from KH, and Cloud's voice actor started voicing him consistently with Kingdom Hearts. If Wario can be a sub-universe for sharing literally one character, then Kingdom Hearts has no reason not to. [[Special:Contributions/157.242.208.151|157.242.208.151]] 15:18, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| : This topic creates a Pandora's box (complicated situation). [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 15:42, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::You just parroted what the jacketted terrapin said without giving any reason. The only complication this may cause is whether Punch out is a Mario sub universe since Mario is the referee in Mike Tyson's Punch out. However, Mario was replaced when Punch out Wii was released, and Sephiroth is a recurring boss. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.69.165|172.58.69.165]] 17:13, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Honestly, I think we should get rid of the notion of "sub-universe" entirely, the only thing it has really brought us so far is loads of bad trivia. I mean, it's fine to acknowledge that DK, Yoshi and Wario have common roots with Mario, but if the game considers them fully separate things then we should also do that, without any weird technicalities. Mario himself generally seldom appears in their games, anyway. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 17:28, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| :To put it simply: ''Kingdom Hearts'' is not, nor was it ever, considered a true ''Final Fantasy'' "spin-off", since it was marketed as a "Disney crossover" first and foremost, and the ''Final Fantasy'' content that is available is relatively minor in comparison (''KHIII''' even outright excluded the ''Final Fantasy'' cast altogether before the DLC dropped); not to mention there's also the issue that ''Kingdom Hearts'' is fully owned by Disney despite Square Enix being the developer and publisher of the series.
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| :Overall, there's just far too many complications for this idea to be worth salvaging. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 17:49, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
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| I agree with Rdrfc that the whole "sub-universe" thing should be ditched, I don't see any value in keeping it, and all it seems to be good for is causing dumb arguments over what constitutes a "sub-universe" and encouraging bad trivia. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:40, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I see it's been ditched already, and I agree. The only one that actually fits the bill imo is Yoshi since, as a prequel series, it has the exact same characters, but that's still directly under Mario without the sub-universe distinction, which is the perfect compromise. DK and Wario don't even appear in mainline Mario platformers anymore, so even they're not really sub-universes. [[Special:Contributions/157.242.208.151|157.242.208.151]] 04:05, October 6, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Why is Luma listed as Rosalina's child? ==
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| Lore-wise, Rosalina is not Luma's child. So why is it listed as such on this page? The only reason I could think of is that the person assumed that Lumas have been "adopted" by Rosalina, which is half-true I guess? But it still shouldn't be listed as so. [[User:KTrain5369|KTrain5369]] ([[User talk:KTrain5369|talk]]) 20:31, May 21, 2023 (EDT)
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