Editing Talk:Toon Link (SSBB)

Why didn't they give him some unique moves? You know, like Gust Jar or Cane of Pacci or Wind Waker? Some times, these people are so uncreative. --{{SUBST:User:Lordofmonsterisland/Sig}} 15:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hold on a sec. (^not you) I'm confused. The article says post-SSE, Link, but I did it with Sonic. I'm lost. (but Cane of Pacci would be funny to watch) [[User:MidnightCeltic|MidnightCeltic]] 01:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Uh.......please talk normally so people know what your talkign about. I'm having a hard time understanding! [[User:Zmario|Zmario]] 20:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm that most characters will NOT work for unlocking Toon Link? (i.e. you actually beat classic with a different character before unlocking him and he didn't challenge)  I'm just asking b/c the first time I beat Classic was with Marth right after beating SSE and Toon Link challenged. For now, I'll add Marth to the list of characters who you can use to unlock him. --[[User:Sarda The Sage|Sarda The Sage]] 22:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: Just noticed that the "Role In Subspace Emissary" section says you can unlock him by beating Classic after SSE with '''any character''' as an alternative method.  I'll just edit out the "Link or Zelda" bit, and unless someone can actually confirm that certain characters don't work, we'll leave it that way. --[[User:Sarda The Sage|Sarda The Sage]] 22:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Any character works. My friend accidentaly did it with jigglypuff once. Then Wolf.
[[User:Crystal lucario|~Crystal_Lucario]] 22:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Not able to unlock after Luigi ==

Errrrr... you have to get him after Luigi and there is more ppl between the so unless you did 400 vs. Modes but not 22 or beat SSE without Luigi how do we know for sure...[[User:Crystal_lucario|~Crystal]][[Image:Crystallucario.JPG]][[User Talk:Crystal_lucario|Lucario~]] [[User:Crystal_lucario/Event Mode|~EM~]] [[User:Crystal_lucario/Sandbox|~S~]] [[User talk:Crystal lucario/Unmerge Petition|~UP~ ~Sign~]] 22:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Umm, no. You can unlock him having Luigi in your roster, just beat classic with any character after unlocking Luigi the same way. [[User:BlackMario|BlackMario]] ([[User talk:BlackMario|talk]]) 22:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Differences between Young Link (Hero of Time) and Toon Link (Hero of Winds) ==

It's a legit section, but it needs to be in a formal list like other character's "Differences from Melee to Brawl" sections. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 23:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I changed around the format to fit the way [[User:Phred|Phred]] was talking about.[[User:Phildisaster|Phildisaster]] 00:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Can we clean up his pros a little? ==

Toon link might be a fantastic character, but his pros list is way too huge! Could we shorten the list a little to some thing along the lines of this?


*Has multiple, useful, versatile projectiles. 
*Smashes are quick with high knockback. 
*Fast walking and running speeds. 
*Fast, high priority, long-ranged attacks. 
*Extremely good aerials.
*Has a Ranged grab.
*Small target. 
*Several approaches.
*Hard to approach due to his long ranged sword attacks and projectiles. 
*Good Juggler.
*Several attacks that hit on all sides. 
*Excellent at edgeguarding with many techniques. 
*Good Tilts.
*Throws are all decent combo starters.
*Can perform a type of Fence of Pain with aerials. 
*Is able to Quickdraw his arrows. 
*Boomerang has a good Wavebounce.
*His Spin Attack ensnares the enemy for the entire duration, causing a moderate amount of damage while essentially guarding himself from some attacks. 
*Has multiple recovery techniques. Can Recover normally with Up-B, Use his hook shot (grab) as tether recovery, wall jump, or can recover via bombs (Bomb recovery). 
*All non-special moves provide good spacing, which leaves many opportunities for smashes. 

 
I know that what I've made is pretty short and somewhat blunt (although a pros and cons should really just be an outline for a characters strengths with the rest of the article highlighting them and showing how to use them), but we really need to get rid of the giant wall of text his current one is!

Any suggestions? [[User:TheSMASHTyke|TheSMASHTyke]] 00:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:I cleaned it up a bit, that was a truly insane amount of pros all about his d-air.[[w:c:guildwars:User:Entrea Sumatae|<font color="#4682b4">'''Entrea Sumatae'''</font>]] 00:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thank you very much for your help.[[User:TheSMASHTyke|TheSMASHTyke]] 00:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree it really needs cleaned up badly. Some of the info really needs to be placed in a strategies/combo section. For goodness sake there are a least two pros for every aerial attack he has.-_-'[[User:Phildisaster|Phildisaster]] 14:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Bomb tip==

Not a good tip imo... remove?

FYI the tip is/was "when using a diar, pull out a bomb, then throw it down, then dair for a sure hit"
it was probably added by like a 12 yr old though... by the spelling. - [[User:Ashran111|Ashran111]] ([[User talk:Ashran111|talk]]) 04:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
: I was thinking a 10 year old. But I thought about removing it when i edited it. [[User:Carbonkirby|Carbonkirby]] ([[User talk:Carbonkirby|talk]]) 04:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Cheap bastard ==

Seriously, I've faced this guy in every Wi-Fi match I've played, and half of my Random enemies, and I've owned them all with Bowser, Wolf, Pit and Ike. I even owned him with Ganondorf once! Plus, I don't think he deserves a slot in Brawl, because he's just a faster, weaker, lighter, suckier Link clone. Falco and Ganondorf may be clones of Fox and Captain Falcon, but at least they have their differences now (Like Falco kicking his Reflector, and Ganon's now Side Special).

      Toon Link does have some differences to normal Link:
      1. His upsmash is one slash instead of normal Link's three.
      2. His neutral smash (Hero's Bow) travels further.
      3. His Triforce Slash is slower and more fluid.
      4. His taunts are different.

      There's four, but I'm sure there's more. [[User:BlackMario|BlackMario]] ([[User talk:BlackMario|talk]]) 22:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Pffft what? Those are still the same moves. What about his back aerial? Now THAT'S different. And taunts?! Since when do taunts make any difference at all!? No two characters have the exact same taunts. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 17:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I would have preferred Midna, or a combination of Midna and Wolf Link. Or just have only three Zelda characters, and put Roy back in (Marth AND Roy brought their series to the U.S.), or put Bowser Jr and Geno in. Come on, Mario deserves six representives! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:75.67.185.6|75.67.185.6]] ([[User talk:75.67.185.6|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.67.185.6|contribs]]) 14:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)</small>
:# If he's so cheap, why don't you use him then?
:# Why does the Marioverse deserve 6 characters and the Zelda franchise only get 3? What about F-Zero, or Mother, or Metroid? Damn, man, Samus has been all alone since the beginning!
:# I agree he is a total Link clone, but I still want him in, just with different attacks. Why do you start with "cheap bastard" and then imply that he's WORSE than the other link? BTW wolf link would have been cool. Or Masked Link (works like Pokemon Trainer?)
:# Ganondorf and Falco don't really qualify as clones anymore.
:# Geno is third party. Cool as he is, it's unlikely, given Square's stranglehold on him. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 16:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
::# Simple. I prefer using characters that require this thing called skill to be effective.
::# Ridley would have been cool. Or maybe Dark Samus. Think about it. 
::# When I'm mad, I have the tendency to not check.
::# your right. They're pseudo-clones. 
::# Sadly. He would have owned. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:75.67.185.6|75.67.185.6]] ([[User talk:75.67.185.6|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.67.185.6|contribs]]) 01:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)</small>

Woah, woah, woah. Cheap?
Toon Link is one of the top technical characters in SSBB. You aren't playing good Toon Links. Search Santi on youtube. He shows just how Toon Link was made to play.

As for a "Link" clone, I agree with you somewhat. They made a LOT better approach with him though than they did with Young Link. Very notable differences than link. Can meteor smash opponents. He's much more of an effective character than Link (who's almost has the same level of tech as TL) if you use him right and DID deserve to be in Brawl.
At least give the Sakuria props for taking a better approach with him than they did Young Link mega-clone imo.

there are '''5''' zelda characters, not 3 as someone sez up there. also one of the trivias is that toon link has only been on the gamecube. WRONG! '''[[User:Wiki443556|<span style="color:Red">Wiki</span>]][[User Talk:Wiki443556|<span style="color:Blue">443556</span>]]'''[Image:memamuta.png|78px]] 20:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::*cough*'''Phantom Hourglass on DS'''*cough*, But Toon Link's first appearance was in a GCN game, so that trivia tidbit is half-right. '''[[User:BlackMario|<span style="color:black;">Black</span><span style="color:red">Mario</span>]]'''<sup>We like Ike!</sup><sub>[[User talk:BlackMario|Talk to me.]]</sub> 02:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Youngest ==

I don't think this can be said for sure. Ignoring release dates, non-canon anime and everything, any of the Pokémon or Kirby could be younger. RED (Pokémon Trainer) is typically stated to be ten or eleven but he's technically not a fighter. I don't know a lot about Donkey Kong Country, so how old is Diddy Kong? And heck, Yoshi is born on the stage right before each fight! (joke) -BP [[Special:Contributions/67.142.165.31|67.142.165.31]] 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Any of the Pokemon COULD be younger, but Toon Link is officially 12 in Wind Waker.  Pokemon Trainer is not officially Red, but it makes sense for him to be Red.  Still, no defined age in-game.  Diddy Kong is only implied to be younger than Donkey Kong, no official age.  Kirby also has no official age.  Therefore, Toon Link is the youngest that actually has a confirmed age.[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|I see wat u did thar...</span></sup>]]

Whether he's 12 or 31 isn't important. Two words: [[Ice Climbers]]. These 2 have like 8 years old or something. It's impossible for Toon Link to be the youngest. Also, what the hell is with that Lucario description? He's the youngest ''player'' in Brawl. That doesn't even make any sense. {<span style="color:#800080;"><u>''[[User:Espyo|Espyo]]''</u></span><sup>[[User_Talk:Espyo|T]]</sup>} 20:58, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Lucario is the the youngst player by years Lucario has only been out for 3 years
: Read the whole thing. We are ignoring release date. Also, any Pokemon could be younger.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 13:33, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

== Bowser Junior Why Not ==

Bowser Jr. deserves to be in Brawl, they go through all of this to put Toon Link but can't even put Bowser Jr in Brawl. If you ask me Bowswer Jr. has been in a lot more games than Toon Link even if Bowser Jr. has only been out for 8 years plus Bowser Jr. would of been great for the subspace Emissary unlike Toon Link who wasn't even in the subspace Emissary plus Toon links just a copycat why put him in brawl anyway, if they put toon link a major copycat of link why can't they put Roy in brawl my point is Toon Link should not be in Brawl.

:Ha! Do you know how many Mario characters that would make there be? 9. 10 if you count Dr. Mario from melee. Under your logic the Koopalings should also be in brawl, as they've appeared in more games. Besides, this is the wrong place for this. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 16:44, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
Not the right place for what why is it a problem if even do this type of stuff in the first place
:The best place to talk about it is a forum. Think about it, this stuff doesn't really relate to the article.--[[User:Megatron1|Megatron1]] ([[User talk:Megatron1|talk]]) 13:59, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

==Clone?==
Personally, I don't think Toon Link is a clone of Link.  Even if all of his special moves are the same as Link's, enough of his other attacks are different enough to qualify him as his own character.  But I'd like to see what other people think. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 01:51, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
:It's currently agreed on the [[clone]] page that Toon Link is a semi-clone - about half of his standard attacks are completely different, but the other half (and all his specials and Final Smash) have near-identical animations (and/or effects). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 02:15, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 
==Toon Link's flaw==
I saw something on Young Link's flaw from Melee and Toon Link's flaw which they have trouble KOing and have short and predictable recovery. Is Toon Link's flaw is similar to Young Link from Melee? [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540|talk]]) 12:51, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

== Matchups ==

The page currently states that Meta Knight is the only character that counters Toon Link. Now, unless our matchups are out of date, this is wrong since his matchup table shows him being countered by Olimar, Snake, and Falco. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  12:10, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:A slight disadvantage =/= being countered. Toon Link loses to those characters you listed, but he is not countered by them. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:30, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:I see. I thought the term for that was a soft counter, though, as opposed to a hard counter? [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  21:19, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

== events ==

should we add a section for the event matches toon link appears in--[[User:Pichu+Pichu|Pichu+Pichu]] ([[User talk:Pichu+Pichu|talk]]) 18:34, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
:All the Melee characters have that right now, so it would be good if the  brawl characters did too. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 19:54, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
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