Editing Talk:The Homebrew Channel

'''Support'''. Nothing here that isn't already covered appropriately elsewhere. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:20, 25 May 2016 (EDT)

'''Oppose''': The Homebrew channel is still very relevant to Brawl in that it's a method of installing mods. I will say that the non-relevant (why do we cover a lego game on here lol) BS on this page will have to go though. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:37, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. I think describing methods for installing hacks (aside from SmashStack, which uses ''[[Brawl]]'' specifically) is going a bit too far, and most of this is basically an installation guide. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:16, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
::Then the page needs re-purposed, not deleted. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 00:40, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
:::'''Oppose''' per Serpent. Like he said, this is still very relevant to Brawl. It '''does''' need to be re-written, I will agree, but I honestly believe deleting it isn't the right thing to do here. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 00:53, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
::::And how do you propose on re-purposing the article? 

::::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  00:05, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::Chop off the installation instructions (except for Smash Stack which will need to be less instruction book like) and add more about how the Homebrew channel is used as it pertains to Brawl. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 04:03, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::IIRC, you didn't have to use the Homebrew channel to do anything in order to hack Brawl. At least not for the SmashStack method. <span style="font-family:Orbitron">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 04:06, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::If you remove the instructions, you get a page that solely about one method that can load mods and the Smash Stack, something that [[Smash Stack|already has its own article]]. Not a terribly useful article in any case, and if we need to cover The Homebrew Channel, small blurbs on relevant pages ([[File replacement]], [[gameplay modification]], etc.) could have a sentence or two about it. Or perhaps [http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Homebrew_Channel an external link to a relevant page on WiiBrew]. <!--Also, Mega, if you're reading this, you (still) suck. :tsih: -->

:::::::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  02:22, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::Hmmm...we could have this simply redirect to [[Smash Stack]]... and maybe make a section on that page for the HB channel.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 02:32, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Dubious. The Homebrew Channel is only tangentially related to the Smash Stack method, and its inclusion on Smash Stack would be decidedly irrelevant. As I outlined earlier, a throwaway sentence or two about how the Smash Stack can install The Homebrew Channel would be preferred.

:::::::::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  01:46, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
What about a '''merge''' with [[Gameplay modification]], since mods are the main (only?) reason this article even exists? -[[User:Menshay|Menshay]] ([[User talk:Menshay|talk]]) 07:15, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
:I'd be fine with that. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 09:39, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
::Gameplay modification's purpose is to explain what gameplay modification is and what notable mods currently exist. It is not a place for The Homebrew Channel.

::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  00:05, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
'''Oppose'''. Per Disaster Flare and Serpent King, though I would have to say that this deletion might be considering that Brawl isn't very popular among the Smash games anymore. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Doc 09:43, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
:Not relevant. Popular or not, Brawl is still a Smash game and we will honor it as such. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">'''King'''</span></span>]] 16:12, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
::Anyways I will still oppose regardless. Sorry for the not so relevant comment. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Gold 20:25, 26 May 2016 (EDT)
:'''OPPOSE!!!''' Per everyone who has opposed already. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 01:54, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
::One of two primary individuals trying to keep this page has stated he wants to repurpose the article without having provided an appropriate course of action, and the other is now suggesting a merge. Please try to be more careful before saying "per x, y, and z user".

::Also, capitals and exclamation points do not make your argument stronger.

::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  02:08, 31 May 2016 (EDT)

:::Umm... "''Chop off the installation instructions (except for Smash Stack which will need to be less instruction book like) and add more about how the Homebrew channel is used as it pertains to Brawl.''" isn't an appropriate course of action? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 02:51, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
::::I was referencing Disaster Flare, not yourself, hence why I brought up ''"the other is now suggesting a merge"''. Reading comprehension, sonny.

::::Anyways, best to keep to the topic on hand, not this idle side-bar.

::::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  11:33, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::Delete, or merge with [[Wii]], i think this breaks [[SmashWiki is not a strategy guide]]...  [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 16:52, 31 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::That's kind of how I feel. The Homebrew Channel is worth a mention, but do we really have to tell people how to install it? That does break our policy. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 17:13, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Everyone agrees that the instructions are generally outside of the scope of the Wiki and shouldn't belong here; ultimately, however, the debate boils down as to whether or not the page can stand on its own while still being relevant to ''Smash''. 

:::::::A merge, too, has been suggested, but there's ultimately the question of where it can go without sticking out like a sore thumb.

:::::::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  02:44, 2 June 2016 (EDT)

::::::::Well then, shall we remove the section that's breaking our policy and see how the article stands? <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 10:15, 2 June 2016 (EDT)

A merge with Wii would be kinda silly tbh. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:47, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

'''Support''' Why would we talk about Stack Smash and not know what it can do? Or not tell some person to go to a page to figure out where you can get Project M? I mean, it is a bit unrelated in some ways, but I don't think it should be deleted.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Cypher123|Cypher123]] ([[User talk:Cypher123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cypher123|contribs]]) 16:00, 1 June 2016‎</small>
:<nowiki>[visible confusion]</nowiki>

:--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  02:44, 2 June 2016 (EDT)
::I got rid of the policy breaking stuff, so how does it look now?  [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the God-Slayer 18:49, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
:::Despite removal of instructions, ultimately, the question of whether or not this page is relevant to ''Brawl'' in general still remains.

:::I still say no.

:::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  19:14, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

If you think there's anything worth keeping about this now that it's been trimmed, you should say so now. Otherwise, it's going to be on the chopping block soon. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:09, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::I move to '''Neutral''' but I think this should redirect to [[Smash Stack]] or something similar. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:49, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::Doesn't need more than a mention on Smash Stack or Gameplay Modification. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 14:24, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
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