Editing Talk:StreetPass Mii Plaza (universe)

==Proposition to rename page to ''Streetpass Mii Plaza(Universe)''==
Reason: The universe name for the stage is not ''Find Mii'', but ''Streetpass Mii Plaza''.
Pros: Accurate Universe Name as per in-game stage information.
Cons: Series symbol is specific to Find Mii. [[Special:Contributions/104.35.10.1|104.35.10.1]] 04:45, 8 October 2014 (EDT)
:What "in-game stage information" are you referring to? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:41, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

:I believe the only information he should have is the fact that the game Find Mii Appears in the streetpass Mii plaza. Please correct me if I am wrong.
User: Superdan645 3:02 PM, December 1st, 2014


I want to go on with the proposition continue, ''Find Mii'' just is part of ''Streetpass Mii Plaza''.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 22:02, 3 January 2019 (EST)

==Hats==
Do hats count as part of this? The Mii headgear is based off all hats available in Plaza/Find Mii--[[User:Flameduck|Flameduck]] ([[User talk:Flameduck|talk]]) 14:33, 9 November 2014 (EST)

== Move ==

The ''Find Mii'' is part of ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'', like games of ''Nintendo Land''. and includes more content of ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' in ''Ultimate'', so I think should move the page to ''Streetpass Mii Plaza''.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 23:23, 24 January 2019 (EST)
:''Find Mii'' '''is''' technically a sub-universe of the ''Streetpass Mii Plaza''. The Spirit associated with it, [[Dark Emperor]], uses the ''Mii'' symbol. Each Mii related stage it classified as its own series, but ''Find Mii'' is part of a series of ''Mii'' related mini-games. I'm inclined to agree with you, but I'm not sure if it can. More than just ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' (''Find Mii'' included) related characters are classified under the ''Mii'' Spirits. (although ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' makes up the most with 7 out of 11) If I had to guess, it'll probably stay the way it is for now. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 23:53, 24 January 2019 (EST)
::Not related to Mii series, ''Find Mii'' is not even a Independent game, it like the minigames of ''Nintendo Land''.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 05:52, 25 January 2019 (EST)
:::Yes ''Find Mii'' is as you said, but it is classified as a ''Mii'' titled game in the Spirits section of ''Ultimate''. ''Find Mii'' is considered its own universe right now, and according to [[Universe|this page]], a sub-universe of the ''Mii'' series. ''Mario'' sub-universes are separate from Mario itself, which makes sense that the ''Mii'' sub-universes are too. Regardless, because there is not currently any other elements relating to the ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' itself outside of Spirits (which are classified as ''Mii'' series Spirits) in ''Smash'', I do not know if we can rename the universe. At least, for the time being. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 02:57, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::::I mean, in theory ''Find Mii'' is not even sub-universe, just a game mode.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 04:00, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::::The most likely option I can think of is that ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' would count as its own universe as well as ''Find Mii''. All of the Spirits related to the ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'', as well as the ''Find Mii'' stage and elements, would be mentioned on there. However, I do not know if others would find it unnecessary with them being included in the ''Mii'' series. ''Wii Music'', ''Wii Party'', ''Nintendo Land'', and ''Pilotwings'' are also included in the ''Mii'' series.
:::::I think a better question would be; "Should the ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' be added as its own universe as one of its games is included in ''Smash''?" I think the questions derived from the fact that more of the games are included as Spirits with no other direct content. Minor universes that are included as Spirits do not get a main page. Each ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' related game (aside from ''Find Mii''), be it by Spirit, Trophy, or Music, are listed as their own minor "universe". It could be that ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' itself isn't actually a "game", but a menu with games in it (which by that case I think is different from ''Nintendo Land'') One could argue with the ''Swapnote'' being its own major universe, but what it has over ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' is that [[Nikki]] is an Assist Trophy. The ''Nintendo Badge Arcade'' also falls under a major universe with the [[Arcade Bunny]] being an Assist Trophy. Going by that, the only way for the ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' to be its own universe is it gets a Stage in the future. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 20:08, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::::::My proposal is move '''Find Mii (universe)''' to '''Streetpass Mii Plaza (universe)''', extends to all the content about ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' include ''Find Mii''. The ''Find Mii'' stage belongs to ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' universe too.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 23:58, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::I'm not sure if that can happen right now, plus I don't believe I have the jurisdiction to have made/carried-out that decision (even if a consensus was reached). Regardless, I think a few more people are needed to debate for that to change. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 01:06, 27 January 2019 (EST)
::::::::I beleive that this move should ```NOT``` happen because find mii is represented by the logo it uses, streetpass mii plaza, if it were to have a universe in smash, would most likely use the logo of the arch it uses, not the logo of one of its games.[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra3678]] ([[User talk:Xtra3678|talk]]) 11:45, 26 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::::The {{uv|Duck Hunt}} universe is a counterexample, its symbol is only ''Duck Hunt'', but the universe actually includes ''Hogan's Alley'' and ''Wild Gunman''. (I don't know if the official name is that, but I think it's better to call this universe "Light Gun" or "NES Zapper".) What's more, the ''Find Mii'' [[List of spirits (Mii series)|spirits]] are recorded as "''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' Series".--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 04:39, 2 March 2019 (EST)

Is there any content for the "Streetpass Mii Plaza" universe that isn't part of the "Find Mii" universe that's represented in smash? If not, I don't see a problem with the move. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 18:07, 27 February 2019 (EST)
:Yes, there is. ''Monster Manor'', ''Mii Force'', ''Warrior's Way'', and ''Flower Town'' all have trophies in ''Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS''. The former 2 games also have spirits in ''Ultimate'', as well as ''Ultimate Angler'', ''Slot Car Rivals'', ''Ninja Launcher'', and ''Feed Mii''. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 03:45, 2 March 2019 (EST)

== Split suggestion ==

To be honest, I'd rather we make the ''StreetPass Mii Plaza'' page more like the ''Mii'' universe page and just give ''Find Mii'' its own universe page.

I feel like all the ''StreetPass'' games are atleast distinct enough to be considered their own sub-universes. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 13:50, 7 March 2019 (EST)
:I disagree, shouldn't split ''StreetPass Mii Plaza''， because related [[Mii Costume]]s are not belong to any game, most of them were by exchange in the plaza. In addition, these minigames are not stand-alone applications, it's like ''Nintendo Land''.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 00:15, 8 March 2019 (EST)
::They're not really minigames in the same way as ''Nintendo Land'', though. The games in ''StreetPass Mii Plaza'' are more like games you would find on the 3DS eShop rather than games in a minigame collection. The games also have nothing to do with each other gameplay-wise or story-wise (with the exception of ''Feed Mii'' taking place in the same universe as ''Find Mii'' and very small cameos between games) aside from sharing the ''StreetPass'' feature and having the same Mii body-type.

::And so what about the Mii Costumes? We can just list them on this page rather than tie them to a specific game.

::And if you want any more proof that the ''StreetPass'' games CAN be considered separate standalone games, according to the Music menu in both ''Smash 4'' and ''Ultimate'', the game of origin for all ''Find Mii'' music is listed as ''Find Mii/Find Mii II'' or ''Find Mii II'' rather than just ''StreetPass Mii Plaza''.

::We can also treat them like ''Shin Onigashima'' and ''Yūyūki'': 2 games that are technically in the same series, but are radically distinct enough to be considered their own things. I'm also only saying that ''Find Mii'' should be considered its own sub-universe, since it does have the most prominent representation of the ''StreetPass'' games in ''Smash''. I'm just suggesting we turn this into something like the {{uv|Mii}} (universe) page and give each game (that has representation in ''Smash'') their own entry on the page. (As a sidenote, I also just think putting all the developers and genres in one infobox just feels awkward.) [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 14:31, 8 March 2019 (EST)
:::The biggest problem is that they are not stand-alone applications. I have no objection to list minigames on this page，but I only think of these games as game modes rather than sub-universe. If they have their own series in the future, then they will be sub-universe, but not now. It's like nobody's to think the ''Super Mario 3D World'' as the first game in the ''Captain Toad'' series.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 00:57, 9 March 2019 (EST)
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 I want to go on with the proposition continue, ''Find Mii'' just is part of ''Streetpass Mii Plaza''.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 22:02, 3 January 2019 (EST)
-Shouldn’t we just add ''Find Mii'' to ''Streetpass Mii Plaza'' --[[User:RobbyB3ll4s| RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 7:34, 3 May 2019 (EST)
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 ::We can also treat them like ''Shin Onigashima'' and ''Yūyūki'': 2 games that are technically in the same series, but are radically distinct enough to be considered their own things. I'm also only saying that ''Find Mii'' should be considered its own sub-universe, since it does have the most prominent representation of the ''StreetPass'' games in ''Smash''. I'm just suggesting we turn this into something like the {{uv|Mii}} (universe) page and give each game (that has representation in ''Smash'') their own entry on the page. (As a sidenote, I also just think putting all the developers and genres in one infobox just feels awkward.) [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 14:31, 8 March 2019 (EST)
 :::The biggest problem is that they are not stand-alone applications. I have no objection to list minigames on this page，but I only think of these games as game modes rather than sub-universe. If they have their own series in the future, then they will be sub-universe, but not now. It's like nobody's to think the ''Super Mario 3D World'' as the first game in the ''Captain Toad'' series.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 00:57, 9 March 2019 (EST)
-::::The ''StreetPass Mii Plaza'' can be considered its own series, with the actual games being separate installments/series within the ''StreetPass Mii Plaza''. All the Spirits that originate from one of the related games are listed as from the "'''''StreetPass Mii Plaza''''' '''series'''", even the [[Dark Emperor]]. The ''Mario'' related series in the base game specify which ''Mario'' game series its from (Party, Kart, Paper, Mansion, Mario & Luigi, ect), and each ''Mii'' related series Spirit uses the ''Mii'' symbol. One could argue that because the ''StreetPass Mii Plaza'' itself does not use the ''Find Mii'' symbol that they should be separate pages, but the Spirits related to ''[[Hanenbow|Electroplankton]]'', ''[[Living Room|Nintendogs]]'' or ''[[Balloon Fight]]'' (surprisingly) use the ellipses despite having a series symbol of their own by having Stages. And non-character specific Mii hats do not specify if they were taken directly from ''Find Mii'', it could just be coincidence in design.[[mariowiki:The Adventures of Captain Toad|The Adventures of Captain Toad]] in ''Super Mario 3D World'' are considered a ''spiritual'' predecessor to the ''Captain Toad'' series (which is also listed as a separate series in the ''Mario'' Spirits). That said, although I ''can'' see this page being handled similarly to the ''Mii'' series page, I do not really see a problem with how the page is currently handled. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 16:00, April 25, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::I’m going to have to agree with Wolff here: if Find Mii was a “real” game, then maybe I’d see renaming it. However, it’s simply a minigame of Streetpass. Naming the series after a minigame, especially when it’s never stated to be part of the “find mii” series anyways, his pge should stay named as is. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 22:19, May 1, 2019 (EDT)
-::::::Whether these games are sub-universes or just game modes, we should all think that the ''StreetPass Mii Plaza'' is a universe, because the Mii Costumes doesn't belong to one of these these minigames.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 06:09, May 2, 2019 (EDT)
-:::::::If there are non-Find Mii costumes for streetpass, then this page should stays named as is. I’ll remove the move tag, since it seems like there’s absolutely no reason why it should be renamed back into find mii. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 17:29, May 3, 2019 (EDT)
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