Editing Talk:Spirit

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== Class to rank ==

<s>In game "novice", "advanced", etc. are commonly referred to as "ranks" and rarely referred to as "class". On the wiki "class" is used almost universally. Should "class" be changed to "rank", do that but have special cases, or something else? I realize that I should have asked about this before making a lot of changes, but I don't want there to be a lot of cleanup in case it is decided against.</s> --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 09:36, April 29, 2020 (EDT)
:This can be ignored. A while back I found that it was more split in game. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 23:37, October 28, 2020 (EDT)

== Squid Sisters & Ninjara ==

Could someone who buys the Mii costumes keep an eye on these two battles when the update comes out? They're both characters that got Mii costumes, and it is possible for the battle to change if the costume is bought or not (Like with Cuphead). I doubt it for the Squid Sisters since they don't use Miis in that battle, but Ninjara never had a battle and may get the Cuphead treatment. I don't buy Mii costumes so I can only contribute to the base game versions. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 14:07, June 22, 2020 (EDT)

== We should detail the specifics in how much rewards you get from Spirit Battles in relation to how powerful your Spirits ar, or if you have no spirits on period e==

I know we mention that the lower the Spirit Team Power, the higher the rewards, but I genuinely think from research doing it with no Spirits also gives it you a higher amount, and how the Spirits auto-pick feature seems to favour just below the Spirit Power of the enemy Spirit to incentivise the bigger rewards. I don't know if there's a proper exact calculation on whatever Spirit Power to whatever rewards you get as it may be partially random or dependent on some other quality, but I think it's worth a deeper look into the specifics of what rewards you get with what Spirit Team Power.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:82.38.22.20|82.38.22.20]] ([[User talk:82.38.22.20|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.38.22.20|contribs]]) 16:58, June 24, 2020 (EDT)</small>
:Since having no Spirit team is effectively a Team Power of 0, yes it makes sense that it would also give more rewards. As for how the rewards are determined, there are too many factors at play to be able to isolate Team Power and Type advantage. There is [https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1254735146462265350 a value] with every Spirit called 'reward_capacity' which likely relates to the maximum amount one can get from a battle, but how that value translates into SP, snacks, etc. or how it scales is not known. Perhaps when 8.0.0 drops with the rematch feature it may become possible to chip away at it. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 17:24, June 24, 2020 (EDT)

==How to find out Mii Fighter movesets within Spirit Battles==

Something to keep in mind in the future is that you're able to check the moveset of a Mii Fighter within a Spirit Battle by pausing the game, opening the Move List, and scrolling to that respective Mii class. If any of you guys see this, can you spread the word around? Because I'm still seeing pages to this day where a Mii Fighter Spirit's moveset is listed with question marks. [[File:MrGame&WatchHeadRedSSB4-U.png|20px]][[User:Arqade|<span style="font-size:14px;font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:cyan;background:none">Arqade]]  [[User talk:Arqade|<font color="cyan">(Talk)</font>]] 18:11, October 15, 2020 (EDT)
:Interesting. I'll keep that in mind when I come across it and for future events. Doesn't help me with DLC Mii's sadly since I don't purchase them, but useful for everything else. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 19:02, October 15, 2020 (EDT)

== Listings on non-spirit pages ==
With how inconsistent and incomplete spirits are on different pages (such as [[Dracula]] and [[Superspicy Curry]]) I'm planning on going through and fixing them. Before I do that I'd like some input on the formatting. First is how to display slots/cost. The series lists use ⬡ and ⬢ whereas the the single pages just list a number, should the numbers stay or be replaced with the hexagons? Second thing is stats for primary spirits. Should all 6 stat values be listed (max & min for power, attack, and defense) or just the max values? --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 23:37, October 28, 2020 (EDT)

== Found a quirk with Metal and Giant, not sure how/if we should cover it ==

So I was trying out Metal Face and found an interesting "feature".  If you're using the spirit on its own, both the Metal and Giant morphs wear off after 8 seconds, as the list says.  But if you pair it with Transformation Duration Up, Giant wears off after around 12 seconds while Metal wears off after around 19.  (Looks like the times are taken from the standard transforms.)  Should we note this, and if so how and where? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:72.181.135.38|72.181.135.38]] ([[User talk:72.181.135.38|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.181.135.38|contribs]]) 13:52, June 2, 2021 (EDT)</small>
:Verified and confirmed. Metal Box lasts about 13 seconds, which means Transformation Duration ↑ should make it 19.5. I assume that (using made up terms here) big_dur and metal_dur are set to 8s with Metal and Giant and TD↑ changes those values based on big_time and metal_time (which would be 8 and 13 respectively), instead of changing them based on the set duration; metal_dur = metal_time * 1.5 vs metal_dur = metal_dur * 1.5. I added it to the notes section. Thanks for finding that! --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 15:02, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

== Spirits with overworld effects ==

There doesn't seem to be a section where it mentions that some Spirits are used in the over world World of Light and providing a link to the respective page, at least from what I could currently see. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 23:05, July 1, 2021 (EDT)

== Initial dash discrepancy ==

The article states that all ground mobility related buffs affect initial dash and run speeds equally. However, in reality initial dashes seem to not increase anywhere near as much as run speeds, which can be clearly seen using significant ground mobility buffs. The specifics of how this works should probably be documented, or the article will be misleading. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 11:45, April 7, 2022 (EDT)
:They have the same values in [https://twitter.com/Meshima_/status/1254735146462265350 Meshima's spreadsheet] (except for Dash Attack ↑ and Runner style). It's possible that initial dashes are affected by the same limits as [[User:CanvasK/Max speed|running and walking]]. Would definitely need to test it more. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 12:09, April 7, 2022 (EDT)
::Mario's dash animation is 29 frames long, testing in game it is also 29 regardless if I use my max speed or min speed spirits. The trans bone also either doesn't move or moves very little for all characters (Mario doesn't have any keyframes defined other than the one to initialize). This rules out it being how running and walking behave. More testing <s>and time</s> is needed. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 13:10, April 7, 2022 (EDT)
:::ground_speed_limit = 3 <small><s>good night</s></small>. On a more serious note, I did some pixel counting and got around 3u/f on the characters I tested. This is not something unique to spirits as Bunny Hood easily reaches this limit on most characters. Maybe list it somewhere on the page since people probably won't check Dash if we only have it there. I didn't find the value in Smash 4's params, so it either isn't labelled, is a different value, or didn't exist in that game; would have to test it but I don't want to do that at the moment.
:::Some other findings:
:::*The character moves at their dash speed from frames 2-6 (e.g. Mario will be 0 on frame 1, then go to 1.936 frame 2 and stay at that speed up to frame 6), afterwards they lose speed equal to their traction (assuming the stick was tapped). I only tested this on Mario but I did at least frames 1-5 for the others and they maintained the speed in that period.
:::*The multipliers are 1:1 (i.e. 1.5x mult = 1.5x more speed) as one would expect.
:::<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanvasK|contribs]]) 12:10, April 7, 2022 (EDT)</small>

== Trivia ==

Should there be a note in the trivia section to not say that the evil ryu spirit is the last spirit? I also wasn’t the account that put that in there today. [[Special:Contributions/174.55.24.64|174.55.24.64]] 18:06, June 3, 2022 (EDT)
:It's not a big enough deal in my opinion. And we can see who added it, it was a different IP. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 18:09, June 3, 2022 (EDT)

== Template? ==

Umm Hi. I'm creating a google doc of Smash Bros Ideas I have and I wanted a link to the template you use for the spirit battles (the version with the inspiration) Sorry to disturb you, believe me I looked everywhere else, even the Category:Templates page but I could not find anything so yeah. I love this wiki so much I might join it properly sometimes <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:45.29.84.77|45.29.84.77]] ([[User talk:45.29.84.77|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/45.29.84.77|contribs]]) 20:17, March 9, 2023 (EST)</small>
:The only templates used for Spirit Battles are {{t|SpiritTableName}} (which simply displays the name and image of the spirit) and {{t|SpiritType}} (which displays the type icon). Everything is manually inserted into the tables. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 20:23, March 9, 2023 (EST)

== Physical Attack ↑ increases the power of "Spin" attacks? ==

In the [[Spirit#Attack_skills|Attack Skills]] section, the notes of Physical Attack ↑ list Spin as one of the attack types to increase in power from that skill. However, according to [[Spin|the page for that attack type]], there aren't any "Spin" attacks in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Could someone verify that this skill increases the power of Spin attacks? [[User:Fidumo|Fidumo]] [[User talk:Fidumo|(talk)]] 02:21, April 23, 2025 (EDT)
:Physical Attack ↑ (body_offense_up) has the following parameters:
:*attack_power_mul_region_head
:*attack_power_mul_region_body
:*attack_power_mul_region_hip
:*attack_power_mul_region_punch
:*attack_power_mul_region_elbow
:*attack_power_mul_region_kick
:*attack_power_mul_region_knee
:*'''attack_power_mul_region_spin'''
:*attack_power_mul_region_bite
:*attack_power_mul_region_tail
:--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 06:39, April 23, 2025 (EDT)

== Spirit Battles for Assist Trophies and Poké Ball Summons ==

Hello, CanvasK recommended a discussion about this topic before making any further changes. I was thinking that pages on specific Assist Trophies and Poké Ball Summons could include information about their appearances in other spirit battles besides their own. For example, Vince's page could mention his appearance in Smeargle and Yusuke Kitagawa's spirit battles. Is this information worth putting on their articles? And if so, in what format would this information be best included? For instance, would we list these spirit battles in tables like what's on the fighter pages? Or would we just note which spirit battles these summons appear in and why they're included in those battles with a couple of sentences? [[User:Schm2000|Schm2000]] ([[User talk:Schm2000|talk]]) 20:08, May 17, 2025 (EDT)
:I personally don't think this is highly necessary, but I may be alone on that. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 20:44, May 17, 2025 (EDT)

:This would actually be pretty useful as a reference. It will be especially interesting to see if any assists/pokémon other than Abra appear on stages they're usually prevented from spawning on. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 21:10, May 17, 2025 (EDT)
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	:This would actually be pretty useful as a reference. It will be especially interesting to see if any assists/pokémon other than Abra appear on stages they're usually prevented from spawning on. ''[[User:Alex the weeb\|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb\|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 21:10, May 17, 2025 (EDT)		:This would actually be pretty useful as a reference. It will be especially interesting to see if any assists/pokémon other than Abra appear on stages they're usually prevented from spawning on. ''[[User:Alex the weeb\|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb\|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 21:10, May 17, 2025 (EDT)
	::I will clarify that noting instances of Assist Trophies/Pokémon showing up in spirit battles on stages that they otherwise would not ''is'' worth doing, but I again don't know if it's necessary to say stuff like "Vince shows up in Smeargle and Yusuke Kitagawa's spirit battles" if there's no significance to it—to that end, the spirit pages themselves already cover the "why" part in the inspiration column. [[User:Aidanzapunk\|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk\|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Gamer'''</span>]] 21:54, May 17, 2025 (EDT)
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