Editing Talk:Semi-spike

== Clean Up Tag ==
I removed the clean up tag since the information is organized and I added the only other semi-spikes not noted on the page before that I could find through my testing. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 01:05, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

== Mario Bros. Pseudo-Spike ==
Is this semi-spike legit? If so, which SSB game is it in and does it even deserve its own section? There are much more notable semi-spikes such as Sheik's fair or Ganondorf's uair and they don't have their own section in this article. On a final note, the description of it sounds more like a meteor smash or spike. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] [[Image: TyranitarMS.png | 25px]] 01:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

== That Blue Pie Chart ==

Moves that hit upwards at the given angle are semi-spikes? I thought it had to be downward to be a semi-spike. [[User:MtnDewholic|<font color="red">Mtn</font><font color="green">Dewholic</font>]] [[User talk:MtnDewholic|<font color="teal">9000</font>]][[File:PokemonSymbol.svg|25px]] 19:39, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:Because of gravity, even a 30-degree angle can be considered a semi-spike if players use it as one. That said, the chart is based on a sort of unofficial plot of what players consider to be semi-spikes (some attacks are considered semi-splies even though they have higher angles, and some attacks with lower angles are never called semi-spikes); the term is very poorly defined and misused. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Superlative 21:16, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
::I wouldn't necessarily say it's poorly defined and misused. While on paper the higher angles don't like they fit the definition, in practise they do (as in, an attack that hits with mostly horizontal knockback without DI where gravity drags the character down to the stage line or below). As for the attacks that hit lower, they're called meteor smashes or spikes. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:01, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== split ==

Opinions? I'll '''support''' as I think it'd be much more organized, pretty much. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 11:56, 14 November 2013 (EST)

'''Support''' I concur. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 15:41, 14 November 2013 (EST)

'''Support''' [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="darkorange">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:MewtwoMS.png]] The Happy 16:01, 14 November 2013 (EST)

Bump? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:24, 15 November 2013 (EST)

No opposition. I'll get started on this. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 05:15, 16 November 2013 (EST)

== Okay this is dumb ==

So [[:Category:Semi-spikes|this new category]] popped up today. Decent idea, but it just serves to make the term's poor definition even worse.
*Angles of all moves that are currently in this category: 0, 20, 23, 25, 28, 30, 40 (as 140)
*Angles of some moves that are not currently in this category: [[Pikachu (SSBM)/Up aerial|0]], [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Forward aerial|32]], [[Wolf (SSBB)/Down smash|35]], [[Pikachu (SSBM)/Up smash|40]]
Some of these "not in the category" examples should be added. Some quite obviously should not. Case in point: the back end of Pikachu's up smash in SSBM hits at the exact same angle as Peach's down smash (40 and 140 are just reverses of each other). Why is only one of them a semi-spike? Either they both are or they both aren't, there's no middle ground. And if they both are, then Wolf's down smash and sourspot of MK's down air must be, neither of which are listed in the new subpage (and the MK sourspot is explicitly stated as not being one).

The image currently being used gives the cutoff at 30 degrees in either direction. I'd like to be given a solid reason why we shouldn't enforce this limit on all attacks, and if not, what the hard limit should be. Going to 37 or more is not acceptable because then Brawl's Sakurai angle would be one. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 12:31, 16 November 2013 (EST)
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	The image currently being used gives the cutoff at 30 degrees in either direction. I'd like to be given a solid reason why we shouldn't enforce this limit on all attacks, and if not, what the hard limit should be. Going to 37 or more is not acceptable because then Brawl's Sakurai angle would be one. [[User:Toomai\|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai\|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png\|20px\|link=User:Toomai/Bin\|???]] The Undirigible 12:31, 16 November 2013 (EST)		The image currently being used gives the cutoff at 30 degrees in either direction. I'd like to be given a solid reason why we shouldn't enforce this limit on all attacks, and if not, what the hard limit should be. Going to 37 or more is not acceptable because then Brawl's Sakurai angle would be one. [[User:Toomai\|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai\|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png\|20px\|link=User:Toomai/Bin\|???]] The Undirigible 12:31, 16 November 2013 (EST)
	:I wasn't aware of those, except for Pikachu's uair, which I just forgot to add. They could be added, but I didn't see them on the lists, and I saw [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Semi-spike&diff=478126&oldid=478123 an edit summary] claiming that Falcon's fair doesn't belong there. I'm not really sure about anything else. [[User:Scr7\|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png\|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7\|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7\|contribs]]) 13:11, 16 November 2013 (EST)
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