Editing Talk:Poké Floats

How the heck is this a stage suitable for competive play? I'll never get what runs through people's heads.

-Random Man

While I'm not an expert, I think the key here is that nothing is random. Each float appears at a predictable time in a predictable place. The movement also makes it much more difficult to do things like camp, but unlike other scrolling stages, you aren't always on the move. In addition, there are no (damaging) hazards. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 12:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


Why does this page say that it is banned in tournament play but it is listed as counter pick in "Tournament_legal_(SSBM)" and is not listed on the banned stage page, someone please fix this.

== Refrence ==

<span style="color:red;">There is an Unown movie (I forgot what it is called) and there are a few seances in it where unown fly every where. Refrence????</span>
[[Special:Contributions/209.30.147.242|209.30.147.242]] 13:33, March 20, 2010 (UTC) -chihuahuabeta

== Origin ==

...is clearly the IRL parade balloons.  Why the expletive would we take that down?  There's no other thing that could have even inspired it. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:12, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
:While I can't honestly say that it's not speculation, I also think it should stay. The first reason is as Miles said, "There's no other thing that could have even inspired it" (considering that we can't agree if it was inspired by the anime OR the parade). Even I was speculative when I first saw the video, but I figured it was the closest thing that could've inspired the stage. Also, nothing like this has happened in the games, so that doesn't really give us much to look at when trying to figure out where it came from. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 02:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
::It is speculation, which '''does not''' belong on the Wiki in any way, shape, or form. I find it quite ridiculous to believe that the Macy parade influenced Poke Floats. You know, the idea of giant balloons was conjured before the Macy parade came into existence and it is not the only thing that has giant balloons. Can't you guys accept the fact that this stage is an original creation created for ''Melee''? Not every damn thing in ''Smash Bros.'' has to be influenced from something else, much less some IRL parade. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 02:28, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
:::The Macy's Parade is quite famous, and it's unlikely that it escaped Nintendo's notice that it was a great publicity draw for Pokemon (which were already popular anyway).  Why not base a stage off of it?  (Also, while not everything in Smash has a source, the vast majority do.)  [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:58, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I'd like to point out something guys. The Pikachu appearance was in 2006. Melee was released in 2001.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 03:01, September 14, 2010 (UTC)</s>
::::: Actually, Pikachu's balloon was first introduced to the parade in 2001. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 03:03, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
::::::I got that wrong then. Though you do realize that Japan released the game 4 days before Thanksgiving. It is impossible for Nintendo to copy off that when it wasn't even shown. And I doubt that they have a special connection to Macy to know about it in advance.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 03:15, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
::::::Again, why would they base a stage off some IRL event that is not related to any Nintendo game? As said before, the ideas of giant balloons been around much longer than the Macy parade and there are other parades in the world that have giant balloons. But the real issue is that this is '''speculation'''. It can't be proven and therefore, it doesn't belong in the article. What we have for the origin section now is good enough. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 03:11, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

==PS1 and/or PS2?==
As I recall, Pokémon Stadium 1 was a Generation I game and therefore could not have Unown, Sudowoodo, or other Gen II Pokés in it. So are these models all from Pokémon Stadium 2, or are some from 1 and some from 2? Did they even make any model changes between the two games? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 02:36, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

== Memes as trivia ==

This is maybe a rather pedantic point to care about, but in general I had been operating on the principle that memes really are not worth noting unless they make a serious impact '''beyond''' the Smash community (e.g. stuff like Falcon Punch). "Legalize Pokefloats" doesn't really seem worth pointing out. EDIT: I previously discussed a similar issue [[Talk:Villager (SSB4)#"axe meme"|here]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:37, 8 November 2016 (EST)
:I would say that the Killager thing is widespread enough to mention, this is a bit less so...but still worth it, imo. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:26, 8 November 2016 (EST)
::Well, I'd at least like to get a few more users' perspectives on the subject. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:41, 8 November 2016 (EST)
:::This is '''very''' borderline IMO, since it's well-established within the Smash community but somewhat obscure outside of it. Personally, I think we should '''remove'''. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:43, 8 November 2016 (EST)
::::I never even knew about this. I thought the only thing close to a meme for Poké Floats was the [[All-floats glitch]]. [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbysCrazyAppetiteSig.png|50x20px]] 15:46, 8 November 2016 (EST)

== Pages for the Poke Float Pokemon ==

Shouldn’t the 8 Pokémon that appear as stage elements on Poke Floats (Psyduck, Slowpoke, Porygon, Wooper, Sudowoodo, Seel, Lickitung, and Geodude) get their own pages on the wiki? Although they don’t appear from Pokeballs like the other 8 or a fighter like Squirtle, they ''are'' moving platforms that make up the stage itself, meaning they are not background characters. The [[King of Red Lions]] is a stage element as a platform and is affected by the Stage Hazard Switch, same goes for the [[Bulborb]]. Plus you’ll die if you stay on any of them for too long. They count as hazards because of that, not to mention the Hazard switch for the latter two. I can’t see a reason why the Pokémon on Poke Floats ''wouldn’t'' be able to receive to receive their own pages. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.174.162|172.58.174.162]] 15:21, February 14, 2020 (EST)
:Porygon ''does'' have a page already, but I do agree with you. Your points makes sense for why they'd get pages in first places as they are the stage itself. Sudowoodo only has a disambiguation page right now. [[Special:Contributions/66.194.104.5|66.194.104.5]] 14:54, February 18, 2020 (EST)
:Bumping this as I feel they should get pages under the reasons stated above. [[Special:Contributions/66.194.104.5|66.194.104.5]] 13:58, March 3, 2020 (EST)
::Don't create any pages until more than just two people agree on the matter. Multiple people have to agree with the decision. That aside, I '''support''' for the reasons that the original IP stated. If the other floats were to not get pages, then we would have to delete the [[King of Red Lions]]. It could be argued that these technically aren't the pokémon, but it's still meant to represent them, making them basically equal. [[User:Crazy456Rhino|Crazy456Rhino]] ([[User talk:Crazy456Rhino|talk]]) 09:45, March 6, 2020 (EST)
:::But Mii Costumes get their own pages despite not being the characters themselves and they don’t effect gameplay at all, and after looking into it, it already had a discussion that allowed them to keep their pages. Both King of Red Lions and Bulborb were able to get pages do to effecting gameplay as stage platforms and they also had a discussion on it which allowed them to keep their pages as well as Pauline and the guy on the Bridge of Eldin. And Sudowoodo was the only one from Poké Floats to already have an preexisting page. Are they not “actually” the characters themselves? Neither are Mii Fighters. Do they effect gameplay? They’re the stage itself. Under these circumstances, I don’t see much of an argument against the Poké Float Pokemon getting pages without restarting the discussions of the previously mentioned pages. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.175.225|172.58.175.225]] 01:40, March 7, 2020 (EST)
::::I feel that this does make sense for the reasons stated by the original IP. '''Support''' [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 01:14, October 27, 2020 (EDT)

== Glitch ==

I personally think that there should be a whole article on the all floats glitch because we do have articles of the other glitches [[User:MeleeBoi|MeleeBoi]] ([[User talk:MeleeBoi|talk]]) 23:43, February 17, 2020 (EST)
:'''Nah'''. The glitch is too minor to warrant its own page. We only have articles for major glitches like the [[Master Hand glitch]]. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="green">Omegα</font>]][[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="red">Toαd</font><font color="blue">64</font>]]'''</span> 05:51, February 18, 2020 (EST)
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 :::But Mii Costumes get their own pages despite not being the characters themselves and they don’t effect gameplay at all, and after looking into it, it already had a discussion that allowed them to keep their pages. Both King of Red Lions and Bulborb were able to get pages do to effecting gameplay as stage platforms and they also had a discussion on it which allowed them to keep their pages as well as Pauline and the guy on the Bridge of Eldin. And Sudowoodo was the only one from Poké Floats to already have an preexisting page. Are they not “actually” the characters themselves? Neither are Mii Fighters. Do they effect gameplay? They’re the stage itself. Under these circumstances, I don’t see much of an argument against the Poké Float Pokemon getting pages without restarting the discussions of the previously mentioned pages. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.175.225|172.58.175.225]] 01:40, March 7, 2020 (EST)
 ::::I feel that this does make sense for the reasons stated by the original IP. '''Support''' [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 01:14, October 27, 2020 (EDT)
-Bumping this topic. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:19, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:Personally I don't see a reason. They're basically glorified platforms (hence "floats") and don't actually represent the Pokémon as a character. As for the King of Red Lions, as far as I know he literally is nothing but a boat for the most of the game, so it does accurately represent the character as it is. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 18:24, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-The "floats" part of the English name implies that they're not even really the Pokemon themselves anyway, so pages for them seems excessive. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:33, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:'''Nope''': They're only floats and not the actual Pokémon themselves. Hardly anything is gonna be on those pages. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 18:56, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-::Cookies, Miles, and Toad have already given reasons for why this idea is a no-go, so I'm just here to boost the '''Oppose''' vote. [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:JacketedTerrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:JacketedTerrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 19:02, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:::We used to have a Sudowoodo page that was just a character as a float. The page has since turned into a disambiguation. Practically the same reasons as the others. '''Oppose''' for me. [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color: Red; 0px">S3AHAWK</span>]] [[User talk:S3AHAWK|''<span style=" font-family: Comic Sans MS;color:Lime;">(talk)</span>'']][[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]] 20:01, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-::::Really? They are the stage itself, of which I would have assumed it would be enough. Didn't think they would need to animate aside from a moving static model for it to count for a page. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:24, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::They're not like the Pokeball mons which are the actual Pokemon themselves which move around, attack, etc. These floats are just platforms which, aside from the origin section, will just be everything about them that's already on this page. Nothing but pointless redundant information. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 21:29, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-::::No wait. Squirtle's mouth moves, Onix's section spin, Psyduck moves its mouth and legs, Slowpoke's tail uncurls, and Likitung's tongue retracts. Wouldn't that count? I know the other Pokemon that appaer only move placement, but the previous five have additional moment indicating they are more than just floats. Plus the Japanese name says Subspace which could mean anything. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:29, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::I mean, given the ''Pokémon'' universe's technology, it's not impossible to think that the floats are just specially manufactured to animate in a way a real-life float can't (unless we've already reached the point where said technology is actually possible now, but that's beside the point). [[File:JacketTerraSig1.png|20px]]'''The [[User:JacketedTerrapin|<span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span>]] [[User talk:JacketedTerrapin|<span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>]]'''[[File:JacketTerraSig2.png|20px]] 21:36, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
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