Editing Talk:Non-playable character

==Bosses==
The various bosses should be listed simply as "bosses"; not that I don't feel that each of the bosses could be listed, but certainly not in bold face or anything; just as the adventure mode enemies are addressed. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 19:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Giga Bowser ==

Why does it have Gig Bowser as an unplayable character if giga bowser is playable (as bowser's final smash)?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff|<span style="color:Green">MỸŠŦЄЯỸ</span>]][[User:MysteryHeff/Brawl Friend Codes|<span style="color:green">ЊӘҒҒ</span>]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff|<small><sup><span style="color:black">TALK</span></sup></small>]] 04:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Not really the same thing. The page is talking about the Giga Bowser that can be harmed and defeated in Melee. '''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak if you are worthy</span></sup></small>]]'''

==Ey==
what about that weird giant diddy and dark bowser?[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">'''Lucas-IV- ''']]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''Paper '''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Tosser''']][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 09:28, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
:Giant Diddy is playable via mushroom, and what Dark Bowser? <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:18, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::Dark Bowser = from the SSE.--[[User:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:gray">Wolf</span>]] [[User talk:Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:blue">rulez!</span>]] '''[[Special:Contributions/Wolf rulez!|<span style="color:green">Yes he does!</span>]]''' 10:19, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Huge dark weird diddy kong = from SSE[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">'''Lucas-IV- ''']]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''Paper '''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Tosser''']][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 10:21, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Both would be considered under the Subspace Army. If you want, you can make a False Characters section. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 10:24, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::I dunno[[User:Lucasthefourth|<span style="color:red">'''Lucas-IV- ''']]</span> [[User talk:Lucasthefourth| <span style="color:yellow">'''Paper '''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Lucasthefourth|'''Tosser''']][[Image:Lucas_kirby.jpg‎ |30px]] 10:37, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

== Move ==

I '''strongly support''' this move. Not only is the term Non-Playable Character more commonplace, it also makes more sense to use than Unplayable Character. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 09:51, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
:I also '''strongly support''' the move. I've never heard "unplayable character" outside of SmashWiki, only NPC/non-playable character. {{s|user|PikaSamus}} ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) [[File:PikaSamusSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] 10:23, 21 October 2014 (EDT)
::'''Strong support'''. Per above. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 12:14, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
:::'''Strong support'''.[[User:Littlesquirtle|&#32;Littlesquirtle, an average user who doesn&#39;t like his signature.]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]]) 12:29, 26 October 2014 (EDT)

'''Strong support''' Is unplayable even a word...? <small>''---Previously unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]]'' </small> 12:28, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

== Melee Stage Hands ==

I added in a section about this, but it was removed for not being the "kind of stuff we're talking about."  I would like to submit that there isn't another article talking about these characters and that we already include "common enemies" on here which are basically items.  In addition to stage hands and common enemies, I think this list of non-playables should include item characters such as Mr. Saturn and all of the Pokemon. [[User:JiffyD|JiffyD]] ([[User talk:JiffyD|talk]]) 18:38, 19 April 2017 (EDT)
:Every stage that has these characters has a section on them (or at least mentions them). [[Kraid|Most]] [[Birdo|of]] [[Pidgit|them]] [[Fly Guy|even]] [[Toad|have]] [[Whispy Woods|their]] [[Banzai Bill|own]] [[Klaptrap|articles]] ([[Tingle|I]] [[Lakitu|ran]] [[Bronto Burt|out]] [[King Dedede|of]] [[Peppy Hare|words]], [[Slippy Toad|but]] [[F-Zero Racers|here's]] more). I think that's enough, really. This pages' scope is mostly for fully controllable (by use of debug tools or hacks) characters with full, fleshed out movesets. This is why SSE and Smash Run enemies aren't here (SSE does have a link to a better article for it, but eh whatever). <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 19:26, 19 April 2017 (EDT)
:: Oh okay that makes sense.  Its weird that the "common enemies" would be included though.  [[User:JiffyD|JiffyD]] ([[User talk:JiffyD|talk]]) 02:04, 20 April 2017 (EDT)

== Gooigi as a moveset NPC  ==

I feel it was not ideal for [[user:CanvasK|CanvasK]] to simply undo my constructive edit without due discussion first, but I of course don't want to edit war so I'll go ahead and start that discussion here. It is true that there are several such of what I would call "implicit characters" found in the movesets of certain fighters, like [[Sothis]]'s heart in [[Byleth]] and Zanza being the soul of [[Shulk]]'s Monado, and I very much agree that listing them all would be inappropriate for this page as they are not all clearly identifiable as that character's form. However, I think Gooigi is a different situation. While something like Sothis being inside of Byleth is something you cannot visibly see (except in the last 2 alternate costumes, and even that, that is not Sothis's personal form, but a merged form of the two), and Zanza in the Monado is just his soul, Gooigi inside the [[Poltergust G-00]] during {{SSBU|Luigi}}'s grabs, throws, and final smash is his visible, identifiable, physical form, totally comparable to something like [[Toad]] in [[Peach]]'s moves or Navi in [[Young Link]]'s taunts. 

A green gooey mass inside the Poltergust G-00 is not his "main" form (at least, not the form from which his name is derived), but it's still him (and indeed, it is a form he would likely be in for most of the single-player mode of the game in which this Poltergust is later used), not inside of any other character or anything, but rather visibly him. The only potential argument against I can think of would have been that because the appearance in Smash predated much of our information about {{s|mariowiki|Luigi's Mansion 3}}, we didn't initially know that it was Gooigi there, but by now we can say it clearly is him. Maybe there are some better counterexamples that would demonstrate why including a character seen in an identifiable and distinct yet somewhat nonstandard-for-them form would be a slippery slope, but those examples I've seen are quite unsatisfying. I think we all want this wiki to be as comprehensive about the details of Smash, and I think this is a reasonable inclusion to that end. I hope this is convincing to people, or if not, that some discussion can bring about a resolution on this. [[User:Pk62001|Pk62001]] ([[User talk:Pk62001|talk]]) 17:06, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
:Since I had to zoom in a lot on the Poltergust to discern whether it was a single green object or a green something behind glass, I wouldn't say it is clear at least to someone who doesn't know about Gooigi (there is a thin layer of glass by the way). This isn't helped by it always filling the entire thing and not allowing for air pockets or liquid physics (like with Inkling's Ink Tank) to help clarify that it isn't a solid chunk of plastic or whatever. I'll admit that a character that can only be implied (like the ones I mentioned in my summary) are a stretch. However, there is one character that I think is a better fit for this: Madama Butterfly. She is always present in Bayonetta's shadow, which is why her shadow has butterfly wings. If others think that Gooigi should be mentioned, then Madama Butterfly should get a mention as Bayo's shadow along with her being in the smash attacks. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 17:38, October 26, 2022 (EDT)
::Smash is full of characters that not everyone recognizes, and I know it goes without saying that is not a sufficient reason to not include a character on such a list. I concede it’s true that Gooigi is likely not animated independently of the Poltergust, and that if you don’t know that’s Gooigi then you probably wouldn’t know that was any character there at all, which is different from most moveset cameos. 

::However, if we assume the Poltergust G-00 in Smash is meant to be the one later seen in LM3, which I think is what this wiki generally would, then it is clearly him there nonetheless— and in a form in which he can spend the majority of LM3. If one did know about LM3, it is reasonable to say they would unambiguously know that Gooigi is present inside the Poltergust G-00 in Smash as well if they look at it in any detail. I don’t think we have independent movement from any other objects on the fighter as a requirement for eligibility here, and so long as we do not, I see no reason to exclude Gooigi. 

::We’d need further input to decide whether to put Gooigi on the list, but I can say that based on what you say (as I am not well-versed in Bayonetta myself and thus didn’t think about that one), I am also for adding Madama Butterfly provided Gooigi is considered okay too. [[User:Pk62001|Pk62001]] ([[User talk:Pk62001|talk]]) 18:04, October 26, 2022 (EDT)

== Please update "Characters in Movesets" table to include the fighter. ==

As stated above, having a column for the Fighter in question would probably be more helpful for readers than just having the move name. (UNSIGNED COMMENT BY WIKI NON-EDITOR) [[Special:Contributions/76.35.172.115|76.35.172.115]] 17:36, December 26, 2023 (EST)
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