Editing Talk:Final Destination (SSB)


== Stage's name ==

Is this actually called Final Destination or is it a retroactive name?
:I believe it is retroactive, but I would like someone to confirm this and add it to the article. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 12:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
::There is no reference in the original [[Super Smash Bros.]] to this stage's name. But since it is very similar to Melee's Final Destination, it can have the same name (the same happens for SSB's Battlefield). [[User:Xeze|Xeze]] ([[User talk:Xeze|talk]]) 12:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:You're certain that it's not mentioned in '''''any''''' media? [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 13:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
::I think that in the Super Smash Bros. soundtrack the music when you fight Master Hand is named "Final Destination". So that might count as a reference. [[User:Xeze|Xeze]] ([[User talk:Xeze|talk]]) 13:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
That would count, yes. -Any idea when it was released? (near the game's release?) [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 19:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:No, I have no idea. Perhaps one year after the release. For example, Melee was released in 2001 and its soundtrack was released in 2002 (one year after). [[User:Xeze|Xeze]] ([[User talk:Xeze|talk]]) 20:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The release date is important in establishing whether or not the stage was named retroactively, which is the goal of this thread. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 20:23, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

::User: KoRoBeNiKi It is collectively known as Final Destination as in melee or Brawl. Ill also give a better version of the info for "unlocking" the stage.

The question was: Was this stage called Final Destination ''at the time'', or was it classified as this at a later time? [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 18:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I did a brief search for the soundtrack today, without success in finding one. -could the name have been mentioned in Nintendo power / strategy guides / other media? -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 11:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
:Well, as listed [http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/multimedia/sounds/cate-higherconsoles.html here], the music is called "Ending Point". I would assume the names listed are those written on the soundtrack. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 12:30, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

My suspicion is that there IS no soundtrack....
-[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 18:11, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

== Move back to "Master Hand's residence" ==

The stage is not called Final Destination. It looks nothing like the Final Destinations of Melee and Brawl. The only similarites are the flat platformless plains and the fact that MH is fought here. There is no reason to call it Final Destination.
"Master Hand's Residence" on the other hand, is a much better title. Why? Because that is the stage's function. It is an accurate description of the stage, and the best possible name for this as it has no official name. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 00:18, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

'''Disagree.''' Firstly, how does it not look like the other FD's? It's a flat platform with ample headroom and a warping background. Also, the fact that Master Hand is fought there actually is reason enough to call it Final Destination, seeing as that's the stage's almost-only purpose in Classic in all three games. Yeah it has no official name, but we might as well give it a name that matches up with the rest of the games. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 10:03, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to mention that the Japanese names match, so logically the US names 'should' have matched, but didn't. --[[User:MandL27|MandL27]] ([[User talk:MandL27|talk]]) 20:52, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== Compare ==

Japanese websites for [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/Map.html SSB], [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/0104/index.html Melee] and [http://www.smashbros.com/jp/stages/stage25.html Brawl] name it the exact same thing in Japanese: 終点.  Since this got translated as Final Destination in Melee and Brawl, it's only logical to assume the same thing for SSB. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 15:57, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
:That's enough proof for me to keep the name listed of this stage as Final Destination. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span>[[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:07, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

== New GameShark Development ==

I spent the weekend looking into why this stage crashes when loading in a multiplayer game and found a way to make it work. See [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=17352 this thread] and [http://youtu.be/zgMTsdLqGH4 this YouTube video] for information and a demonstration. The relevant point is that I engineered a GameShark code that patches the game to sidestep the function call that causes the crash--but only when "Final Destination" is being loaded.

That being said, the [[Final Destination (SSB)#Accessibility|Accessibility]] section of this article is... out of date. It describes in great detail the work of NOKAUBURE and other hackers in the construction of GameShark codes that hijack the 1P mode's Master Hand encounter to work up a multiplayer match, and I give credit where it's due: those guys came up with a very clever solution to the problem. But it's no longer the ''only'' way to get in there, and in fact it works just like any other stage with the patch code enabled.

When it's all said and done, what exactly should the article's section contain? Presently, only the first two sentences remain objective and relevant, but that doesn't make for much of a section... What do you guys think? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 19:42, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
:I think we should be able to say something to the effect of "It used to be pretty hard to play on this stage for these reasons, but eventually enough hacks were created to get it to work normally". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Obfuscating 20:14, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
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 When it's all said and done, what exactly should the article's section contain? Presently, only the first two sentences remain objective and relevant, but that doesn't make for much of a section... What do you guys think? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 19:42, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
 :I think we should be able to say something to the effect of "It used to be pretty hard to play on this stage for these reasons, but eventually enough hacks were created to get it to work normally". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Obfuscating 20:14, 13 October 2014 (EDT)
-== Stage name ==
-In Ultimate the music that comes from this stage is present, and it is called Final Destination.Maybe that is the official name of this stage after all. --[[User:ComJacker|ComJay]] ([[User talk:ComJacker|talk]]) 10:38, 7 December 2018 (EST)
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