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:::I can see the analogy you're going for, but the work made to change the original Link is the same effort that would have been made if Young Link got a new final smash instead. For example, your chart lists Luigi's down special and down air as 0, even though that is the exact same situation where Mario got his moves changed but Luigi didn't. Likewise, the chart correcty gives Pichu's nair a score of zero, despite the fact that Pikachu got the new move while Pichu's was unchanged. It seems like this whole "the parent getting the new move doesn't count for being different" nonsense is thankfully only present on the Links' down special and final smash and Roy's neutral special, but it's a problem on Young Link because that actually changes his percentage from barely a full clone to barely a semi clone.[[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 16:10, March 6, 2021 (EST) | :::I can see the analogy you're going for, but the work made to change the original Link is the same effort that would have been made if Young Link got a new final smash instead. For example, your chart lists Luigi's down special and down air as 0, even though that is the exact same situation where Mario got his moves changed but Luigi didn't. Likewise, the chart correcty gives Pichu's nair a score of zero, despite the fact that Pikachu got the new move while Pichu's was unchanged. It seems like this whole "the parent getting the new move doesn't count for being different" nonsense is thankfully only present on the Links' down special and final smash and Roy's neutral special, but it's a problem on Young Link because that actually changes his percentage from barely a full clone to barely a semi clone.[[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 16:10, March 6, 2021 (EST) | ||
::::You seem to be under the impression that the Link bomb change is substantial enough to count the moves as not cloned at all. I tend to use a rule of thumb for "could one be an SSB4 custom move of the other?" for special moves, and this certainly qualifies (the only difference being what causes the bomb to explode). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 23:25, March 6, 2021 (EST) | ::::You seem to be under the impression that the Link bomb change is substantial enough to count the moves as not cloned at all. I tend to use a rule of thumb for "could one be an SSB4 custom move of the other?" for special moves, and this certainly qualifies (the only difference being what causes the bomb to explode). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 23:25, March 6, 2021 (EST) | ||
By your own rules, an extra animation is basis to count a move as at least half score, so I'm not seeing the excuse for counting Link's down special as not substantially different enough when it literally is by your own rules. I said this in my previous comment, but the presence of the new down special having an additional detonation animation kind of makes the custom move analogy earlier you gave null in this instance. I can maybe see the excuse for Roy's neutral special now since Marth's new animation is simpler, but Link's down special should be automatically considered decloned based on getting extra animations, regardless of any hypothetical custom move theories. | By your own rules, an extra animation is basis to count a move as at least half score, so I'm not seeing the excuse for counting Link's down special as not substantially different enough when it literally is by your own rules. I said this in my previous comment, but the presence of the new down special having an additional detonation animation kind of makes the custom move analogy earlier you gave null in this instance. I can maybe see the excuse for Roy's neutral special now since Marth's new animation is simpler, but Link's down special should be automatically considered decloned based on getting extra animations, regardless of any hypothetical custom move theories. |