Editing Talk:Cheap

Um...what's the point of this article? And no johns... --[[User:Greenblob|Greenblob]] 13:11, March 18, 2007 (GMT)

I think that, surprisingly, "cheap" is worthy of an article.  Discussion of what techniques are "cheap" (or, thanks to Sirlin, whether cheap even exists) have been prominent in the Smash community.  This article can really be expanded, so I'm not going to delete it just yet. {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 19:00, March 20, 2007 (GMT)
:i think we can work out a list of cheap tactics, much like there are lists of fair stages and tiers. is what i've put on the page good? [[User:Silverdragon706|FyreNWater]] 03:15, August 19, 2007 (EDT)

What's cheap and what isn't is one's own thoughts.
You can't write a deffinative list of "cheap" tactics and such.

- [[User:Blackadder|Blackadder]]

== ¿Què? ==
Button mashing is cheap? [[User:BurningCrusader777|NeonCrusader]] 16:05, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
:i'unno. i was putting a bunch of stuff in and i needed as many in the list as possible. it sure doesn't take skill to slam your palm onto the controller... '''[[User:Silverdragon706|FyreNWater]]''' -  <small>([[User talk:Silverdragon706|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FyreNWater|Contributions]] )</small> 19:29, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
::Well, yeah, I know that, but isn't the slang term "cheap" used in reference to techniques that generally glitch up gameplay, giving you an unfair advantage? Examples are some there: Ness's YYG Infinite Range, Soulbreaker, IC Freeze Glitch. Button Mashing... is just randomly pressing buttons. That's not going to do much. [[User:BurningCrusader777|NeonCrusader]] 17:06, November 2, 2007 (EDT)

== Cheap Final Smashes... ==

Nearly all the "Cheap Final Smashes" are only "cheap" if the character you're using can't ''jump'', like Ike or Wolf or something.

As for Super Sonic, well, that's probably only strong point of Sonic other than his "Combing ability", otherwise he's rather pathetic. [[User:Cafinator|Cafinator]] ([[User talk:Cafinator|talk]]) 13:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Some Final Smashes ARE cheap. Trust me. My friends and I first played with Smash Balls, but one of them uses Wolf. And everytime he used his Landmaster it was simply impossible to escape. Even constantly edgehogging doesn't help because he simply falls with the Landmaster and knocks me against the stage resulting in a stage spike KO. Now we always play without any items even on 4 player free for alls (in 1vs1 we always turned items off). [[User:Xeze|Xeze]] ([[User talk:Xeze|talk]]) 14:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== edge guarding ==

Is edge guarding really considered cheap?  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 02:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's really a matter of opinion. <span style="color:#4CBB17">--Posted by</span> [[User:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">Pikamander2</span>]] <small>[[User Talk:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">(Talk)</span>]]</small> at 02:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think it is, as it is a big part of the game.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 02:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It can be if it's abused. But anything can be cheap if overused. '''[[User:Silverdragon706|Silverdragon706/FyreNWater]]''' -  <small>([[User talk:Silverdragon706|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|Contributions]] )</small> 12:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:Although neither are "cheap" at a competitive level, there's often a big misunderstanding between "edge guarding" and "edge hogging." Edge guarding isn't cheap, that's the whole point of the game: knock your opponent off the edge and do what you can to prevent him from getting back to the stage...by guarding the edge. --<font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 15:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::My point exactly, but edge-hogging is kinda cheap.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 02:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

edge hogging isnt cheap. Your foe can edge hog just as much as the other person,if he chooses so.[[Special:Contributions/72.197.63.163|72.197.63.163]] 00:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

== Examples ==

Since this is subjective (in layman's terms: one man's combo is another man's pet peeve), we will '''not''' be listing examples. It leads to edit wars, flaming, and all sorts of issues. We all have different opinions, so there is no "official" list of what's cheap and what's not. It's up to individuals to decide and house rules in tourneys to determine what's allowed and what's banned. [[Image:SDFnW_SmashWiki_sig.gif]] -  <small>([[User:Silverdragon706|U]] • [[User talk:Silverdragon706|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|C]] )</small> 20:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:I was going to remove it, buuuuttt.... <span style="border:2px outset #9900cc;background-color:white;-moz-border-radius:10px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ff0099">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 21:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
==Merging==
'''No'''- it is simply not a John. It is a term that a John may refer too.--[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]]<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 17:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

'''No Merge''': They are similar enough to merge, but the title would be a problem as they aren't ''that'' similar. <font face="sand" color="silver"><choose><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="008080">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#BF00FF">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#3FFF00">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="black">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option></choose> ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 16:51, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
'''Yes''' - No need to waste a page when you could just put them together. <span style="border:2px outset yellow;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Zmario|<span style="color:yellow;">Z</span>]][[User talk:Zmario|<span style="color:yellow">mario</span>]]'''</span> 17:07, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

'''Nope.''' There is no conceivable reason to put the two pages together. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 17:57, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
==Not official?==
Explain. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 11:56, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

The article itself oftens uses the word like this "cheap",implying that it is not official. Besides in order for it to be offical,someone had to have offical naming rights,and guess what? Nobody does. [[User:Forbidden7|Forbidden7]] ([[User talk:Forbidden7|talk]]) 12:29, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
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	'''No Merge''': They are similar enough to merge, but the title would be a problem as they aren't ''that'' similar. <font face="sand" color="silver"><choose><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="008080">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="#BF00FF">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="#3FFF00">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="black">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option></choose> ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 16:51, September 8, 2010 (UTC)		'''No Merge''': They are similar enough to merge, but the title would be a problem as they aren't ''that'' similar. <font face="sand" color="silver"><choose><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="#ff2000">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="008080">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="#BF00FF">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="#3FFF00">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option><option>[[User:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="black">Doctor Pain 99</font>]]</option></choose> ([[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="silver">C</font>]][[User Talk:Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="silver">T</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99\|<font color="silver">E</font>]])</font> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100907023417/pirate-team/images/6/63/PAT1-19px.png 16:51, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

	'''Yes''' - No need to waste a page when you could just put them together. <span style="border:2px outset yellow;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Zmario\|<span style="color:yellow;">Z</span>]][[User talk:Zmario\|<span style="color:yellow">mario</span>]]'''</span> 17:07, September 8, 2010 (UTC)		'''Yes''' - No need to waste a page when you could just put them together. <span style="border:2px outset yellow;background-color:green;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Zmario\|<span style="color:yellow;">Z</span>]][[User talk:Zmario\|<span style="color:yellow">mario</span>]]'''</span> 17:07, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
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