Editing Talk:Blaster (disambiguation)

Did it ''really'' need a merge? Nobody even added a category... ([[User:Wolf O'Donnell|Wolf O'Donnell]] <small>([[User talk:Wolf O'Donnell|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Wolf O'Donnell|contributions]])</small> 21:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

== Yep ==

Sorry but I got sick of seein' Blaster next to parentheses.
:--[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|Blue Ninjakoopa]] ([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|talk]]) 21:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

:Is that a good reason? Other members did ''not'' want it merged, their opinions (as well as mine, I recall saying "no") matter. ([[User:Wolf O'Donnell|Wolf O'Donnell]] <small>([[User talk:Wolf O'Donnell|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Wolf O'Donnell|contributions]])</small> 21:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

:On another note, opinions of the community ''do'' matter. That being said, I shall quote Silverdragon706 regarding Fire Wolf, Fire Fox, etc.
'''
Individual attacks of characters get their own pages. Putting Fox's, Falco's, and Wolf's side-attacks onto one page is just too much. Stuff like Link's bombs and T/Y Link's bombs get their own pages, so these do, too.''' 

([[User:Wolf O'Donnell|Wolf O'Donnell]] <small>([[User talk:Wolf O'Donnell|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Wolf O'Donnell|contributions]])</small> 21:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

Well, I don't mind. It doesn't make much of a difference, and there's not much of a negative side to merging them, really. [[Special:Contributions/69.12.204.63|69.12.204.63]] 21:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

You don't mind. Please, keep in mind, that you are not the only one here. I, for one, do mind. I thought they were fine where they were. As did others, considering the outcome of the "vote". ([[User:Wolf O'Donnell|Wolf O'Donnell]] <small>([[User talk:Wolf O'Donnell|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Wolf O'Donnell|contributions]])</small> 21:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

When no Sysops are involved...then the users create how the vote should be done.and since we are the users we can choose a democratic system...and by that system the result is un merge no? - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 22:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

=== Finally ===
We finally put the articles in the format I suggested. [[User:MarioGalaxy|MarioGalaxy]] ([[User talk:MarioGalaxy|talk]]) 22:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

:However, most users didn't want a merge. ([[User:Wolf O'Donnell|Wolf O'Donnell]] <small>([[User talk:Wolf O'Donnell|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Wolf O'Donnell|contributions]])</small> 22:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC))

Technically it isn't a merge. I suggested we made an article that puts information under 3 headings:

== Blaster (Fox) ==
Information on Fox's blaster.

== Blaster (Falco) ==

Information on Falco's blaster.

== Blaster (Wolf) ==
Information on Fox's blaster.

The original idea that everyone wanted was to put general information on the blaster, not for each person. [[User:MarioGalaxy|MarioGalaxy]] ([[User talk:MarioGalaxy|talk]]) 22:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Wolf's Blaster having its own article ==

I think it may be more appropriate to have Wolf's Blaster in its own article rather than sharing one with Fox and Falco. Fact is, Wolf's Blaster is a completely different move from Fox's and Falco's Blaster, and I believe that is enough to merit its own article, rather than implying it's a "clone move" by grouping it in this article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:27, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. In fact, in Japan, it is called "Claw Blaster". [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 23:39, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. [[User:Squishyfrog|<span style="color: lightseagreen;">'''Squishyfrog'''</span>]] [[User talk:Squishyfrog|''<span style="color: lightseagreen;">Chat</span>'']] 23:48, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
:'''Support''' Different Japanese name, effect, range hitbox, appearance, effect on competitive metagame and comboing ability. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font><font color="darkbrown">Ultimatum</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">Complaints Box</span>'']] 05:09, 21 September 2011 (EDT)
:'''Oppose'''. Same button press, same universe, same number of things in common than things different. We don't need another stub article. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:23, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
::Same button press is irrelevant, all neutral specials have the same button press. Same universe is irrelevant as well, we don't have separate special moves in the same article based on the characters with them being in the same universe. And the last statement is wrong, Wolf's Blaster is a different move in every relevant aspect. Wolf simply shooting a laser out of a gun is irrelevant, we don't have [[Megavitamin]] and [[Fireball]] in the same article, where both involve Dr. Mario and Mario shooting a bouncing projectile.

::For it being a stub, just because Wolf's Blaster article isn't lengthy doesn't mean it's a stub. Many special moves articles are not long anyway. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:34, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
:::I would also like to point out that [[Falco Phantasm]] has a separate article, yet that move is much more similar to Fox Illusion than Claw Blaster is to Blaster. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:MatchupUnknown.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  11:41, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

== Adventures ==

Didn't Fox use this while riding the HighTop/CloudRunner? It wasn't the Fire Blaster cause it had infinite ammo. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]][[File:RoyHeadSSBM.png|20px]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 09:00, 16 October 2011 (EDT)
*Fox indeed owns a weapon called Blaster in ''Star Fox Adventures'', however, SSB64 and even Melee came first. Still probably worth a mention though. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">'''Toast'''</font><font color="maroon">'''Ultimatum'''</font>]] [[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|27px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|''<span style="color: silver;">'''Complaints Box'''</span>'']] 09:18, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

== Stun ==

I heard some people saying that Samus and ZSS take more stun from Falco's lasers than the other characters, can someone confirm this? [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Scr7|<font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:PrefixIndex/User:Scr7]] 07:26, 9 August 2013 (EDT)

:Why should they? Falco's Laser does weight independent set knockback meaning it should stun everyone equally.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 08:25, 9 August 2013 (EDT)

::I'm not really sure, but I heard it on IRC and in [[User:Mousehunter321/Sandbox|Mousehounter's sandbox]]. [[User:Scr7|<font style="color:#0000FF">S</font>]][[User talk:Scr7|<font style="color:#7F7FFF">c</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Scr7|<font style="color:#00FFFF">r</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Scr7|<font style="color:#FF7F00">7</font>]][[File:Wolfsig.png|19px|link=Special:PrefixIndex/User:Scr7]] 08:28, 9 August 2013 (EDT)

This may actually be possible; at low knockback hitstun length might be based on the length of the flinch animation and not on the amount of knockback. I'm not sure how I can test this though. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Ghostbuster 16:46, 9 August 2013 (EDT)

== Link's Shield KO ==

When Fox's blaster hits Link's Hylian shield, Link gets pushed back slightly. This means Fox can get a KO with the blaster if Link is pushed off the edge and makes no attempt to recover. The sentence "This is one of the few moves in the game that can never provide a KO except stealing other players' KO's." should therefore be amended. [[Special:Contributions/96.45.202.155|96.45.202.155]] 23:52, 14 October 2015 (EDT)
:If you die without being damaged, SSB4 counts that as a self-destruct, giving no one credit for a KO. Same thing happens if you FLUDD or Flame Choke an undamaged opponent off the stage. So while you kind of have a point, it's arguable at best, and in my opinion it's not worth adding. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Xanthic 00:00, 15 October 2015 (EDT)

== Split Fox and Falco's blasters as well? ==

So how about it? [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Spy 21:11, 12 April 2016 (EDT)

Yeah. I think each iteration of the Blaster article would benefit greatly in terms of organization and feel with a partition between these in two. '''Support'''. [[User:MuteSpittah|MuteSpittah]] ([[User talk:MuteSpittah|talk]]) 22:04, 12 April 2016 (EDT)

I strongly '''Support''' considering that I was the one who brought this up. The Blasters are not like the other similarly-named specials with different properties. These are pretty much entirely separate moves. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 00:15, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
:Umm. i put the tag up. anyway '''Support'''  [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the Team Liquid  06:29, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
::What I meang was that I was the one who brought this up on the Double-Edge Dance article. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 09:30, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
:The properties of [[Fox]] and [[Falco]]'s Blasters are completely different, thus I '''strongly support''' this article split. --[[File:FXSig2.png]] [[User:Falcon-X|'''Falconian Leader''']] ([[User talk:Falcon-X#top|''Enter the Leader's Office'']]) 8:57, 13 April 2016 (EST)
'''Support''' or merge Wolf's blaster with this. We will probably have to make a disambiguation page for all three kinds of blasters and move this to "Blaster (Fox)". -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 13:10, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
'''Weak support'''. The page is pretty much broken up into two mini-pages anyway. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 13:48, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
::I actually already split them, but one of the admins has taken them both down until voting is finished. So I would very much like to have this page split confirmed so those can go up again. '''Strongly support'''. [[User:CpnFlacon|CpnFlacon]] ([[User talk:CpnFlacon|talk]]) 12:51, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
:::It's split now. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:55, 22 April 2016 (EDT)
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