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::While Omega Tyrant and Dr. Pain have not commented yet, both of them are active users and probably still disagree. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 16:01, 7 August 2012 (EDT) | ::While Omega Tyrant and Dr. Pain have not commented yet, both of them are active users and probably still disagree. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']] 16:01, 7 August 2012 (EDT) | ||
:::I agree with Anon with all due respect, I don't think we should discourage profanity on the basis that it's within the realm of possibility that someone under-age will make an account or that there are under-age users here. For one, by creating an account and proving to be constructive editors, they prove to be mature, and thus don't require any kind of parental clause in a policy protecting them. The fact is that it should be left alone since it's so specific. As stated above, there are numerous examples of Shadowcrest and OT using profanity in their walls of text without explicitly offending/personally attacking the user they're talking to. If a certain activity is to be discouraged, it might as well be confirmed to conflict with policies. For example, if SW:TALK were to "discourage" using talk pages in the fashion of a chat room, it would eventually need to be made against policy, therefore "discouraged" ultimately becomes "forbidden". <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 18:04, 7 August 2012 (EDT) | :::I agree with Anon with all due respect, I don't think we should discourage profanity on the basis that it's within the realm of possibility that someone under-age will make an account or that there are under-age users here. For one, by creating an account and proving to be constructive editors, they prove to be mature, and thus don't require any kind of parental clause in a policy protecting them. The fact is that it should be left alone since it's so specific. As stated above, there are numerous examples of Shadowcrest and OT using profanity in their walls of text without explicitly offending/personally attacking the user they're talking to. If a certain activity is to be discouraged, it might as well be confirmed to conflict with policies. For example, if SW:TALK were to "discourage" using talk pages in the fashion of a chat room, it would eventually need to be made against policy, therefore "discouraged" ultimately becomes "forbidden". <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 18:04, 7 August 2012 (EDT) | ||
::::If Omega Tyrant and Dr. Pain feel that way, then let them say it instead of simply assuming they will and using that as an argument. Regarding your actual argument, though, it then becomes a matter of personal opinion what counts as "impairing the community's ability to collaborate." Give me an example where the word "fuck" would actually benefit the discussion. It's easy to imagine a situation where it would start a flame war (e.g. "fuck you, your argument's gay and stupid"), | ::::If Omega Tyrant and Dr. Pain feel that way, then let them say it instead of simply assuming they will and using that as an argument. Regarding your actual argument, though, it then becomes a matter of personal opinion what counts as "impairing the community's ability to collaborate." Give me an example where the word "fuck" would actually benefit the discussion. It's easy to imagine a situation where it would start a flame war (e.g. "fuck you, your argument's gay and stupid"), but when would it actually help? When you use those words, you're generally attacking a person or an idea with no substance and just flaming. | ||
::::Blue Ninjakoopa: I didn't say that only young people would be affected. Everyone has the potential to get angry and start insulting people, and on the internet a lot of insults come from cursing at people. Just because someone is not a ten year old doesn't mean they're mature and reasonable. Admins can make decisions for themselves regarding whether something is considered a personal attack because of profanity (see my example above). In that example, if the profanity was removed, then there would be nothing left. Writing to discourage profanity will make that person think twice before doing something like that and then they may decide not to use a personal attack after all. | ::::Blue Ninjakoopa: I didn't say that only young people would be affected. Everyone has the potential to get angry and start insulting people, and on the internet a lot of insults come from cursing at people. Just because someone is not a ten year old doesn't mean they're mature and reasonable. Admins can make decisions for themselves regarding whether something is considered a personal attack because of profanity (see my example above). In that example, if the profanity was removed, then there would be nothing left. Writing to discourage profanity will make that person think twice before doing something like that and then they may decide not to use a personal attack after all. | ||
::::I don't presume to be a know-it-all or right on everything. If the important people on the wiki are against this proposal, then so be it - I won't push it. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 19:35, 7 August 2012 (EDT) | ::::I don't presume to be a know-it-all or right on everything. If the important people on the wiki are against this proposal, then so be it - I won't push it. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 19:35, 7 August 2012 (EDT) | ||
