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#<s>'''Strong support'''. Per Serpent and Nyargle. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:09, 22 November 2015 (EST) | #<s>'''Strong support'''. Per Serpent and Nyargle. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:09, 22 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#:By the way, I '''strongly oppose''' this becoming a policy. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 06:30, 26 November 2015 (EST)</s> | #:By the way, I '''strongly oppose''' this becoming a policy. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 06:30, 26 November 2015 (EST)</s> | ||
#'''Weak support''': (Am I actually allowed to support both...?) I'd prefer it as a policy, but I'm also fine with it as a guideline. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 16:45, 23 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Weak support''': (Am I actually allowed to support both...?) I'd prefer it as a policy, but I'm also fine with it as a guideline. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 16:45, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#<s>'''Support''' as guideline as per errone above. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 19:07, 25 November 2015 (EST)</s> | #<s>'''Support''' as guideline as per errone above. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|Smashedpotatoes]] ([[User talk:Smashedpotatoes|talk]]) 19:07, 25 November 2015 (EST)</s> | ||
#'''Strong support''' As I said before, edit summaries are overall very helpful, but cannot be mandatory for reasons mentioned by SK. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 05:15, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Strong support''' As I said before, edit summaries are overall very helpful, but cannot be mandatory for reasons mentioned by SK. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 05:15, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Strong support'''. A policy on edit summaries sounds pretty silly, as who would want to get hated on all because they fixed a normal typo without an edit summary, or maybe their edit was to add the D tag on a page... See? Policies. On. Edit. Summaries. Don't. Work. But... Guidelines do work IMHO. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 05:38, 26 November 2015 (EST) | <s>#'''Strong support'''. A policy on edit summaries sounds pretty silly, as who would want to get hated on all because they fixed a normal typo without an edit summary, or maybe their edit was to add the D tag on a page... See? Policies. On. Edit. Summaries. Don't. Work. But... Guidelines do work IMHO. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 05:38, 26 November 2015 (EST)</s> | ||
#:note the fact that it specifically says typo/grammar fixing doesn't require an edit summary :P <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 09:32, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #:note the fact that it specifically says typo/grammar fixing doesn't require an edit summary :P <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 09:32, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#::I added another example to my support. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 09:38, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #::I added another example to my support. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 09:38, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
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#::::::We had to go through all this all because I used reasons of which an edit summary 1. Is unneeded. 2. Is required. 3. Is optional, but not required. All I was trying to say is that I like this proposal, but I feel as if a policy just doesn't cut it. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 09:46, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #::::::We had to go through all this all because I used reasons of which an edit summary 1. Is unneeded. 2. Is required. 3. Is optional, but not required. All I was trying to say is that I like this proposal, but I feel as if a policy just doesn't cut it. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 09:46, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#:::::::Well I was just pointing out that all of your reasons for why was false. Obviously I can't change your opinion, but since we're sort of on opposite sides here if I can make my reasoning seem more sound than yours that benefits me :P <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 09:50, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #:::::::Well I was just pointing out that all of your reasons for why was false. Obviously I can't change your opinion, but since we're sort of on opposite sides here if I can make my reasoning seem more sound than yours that benefits me :P <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 09:50, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Support as a guideline'''. That's all I can say. [[File:PikachuMS.png|20px]] [[User:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: gold;">'''Pika,'''</span>]] [[User Talk:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: brown;">'''Wild Turkey Appeared!'''</span>]] 17:27, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Support as a guideline'''. That's all I can say. [[File:PikachuMS.png|20px]] [[User:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: gold;">'''Pika,'''</span>]] [[User Talk:ThePikaPlayer|<span style="color: brown;">'''Wild Turkey Appeared!'''</span>]] 17:27, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#:If you can't supply a reason, why are you voting...? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:28, 26 November 2015 (EST) | #:If you can't supply a reason, why are you voting...? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:28, 26 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Support''' I can't really say anything on the matter, as all of the valid points have already been stated and would be redundant if I repeated them... [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 01:05, 28 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Support''' I can't really say anything on the matter, as all of the valid points have already been stated and would be redundant if I repeated them... [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 01:05, 28 November 2015 (EST) | ||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
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#'''Oppose''' on the basis that [[Help:Edit summary]] already exists. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 09:25, 28 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Oppose''' on the basis that [[Help:Edit summary]] already exists. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Steppin' 09:25, 28 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Oppose''' per Toomai. {{User:Nyargleblargle/Sig}} 09:56, 28 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Oppose''' per Toomai. {{User:Nyargleblargle/Sig}} 09:56, 28 November 2015 (EST) | ||
# | #'''weak oppose''' i just remembered [[Help:Edit summary]] existed [[User:Nintendofan1653|Nintendofan1653]] ([[User talk:Nintendofan1653|talk]]) 10:33, 28 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Weak Oppose''' upon realization per Toomai, NyBlargle, and Nintendofan. I'm sorry.... [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: red;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:green;">'''The Festive Evil Clone'''</span>]] 11:16, 28 November 2015 (EST) | |||
# | #'''Oppose''' upon realization that there is a help page about edit summaries, rendering this unnecessary. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <font face="cursive">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>'''''[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">(Talk • </font>]] [[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">Contribs)</font>]]'''''</sup></font> 12:27, 28 November 2015 (EST) | ||
===Neutral=== | ===Neutral=== | ||
#'''Eh.''' Edit summaries are to be encouraged, definitely, but the response to someone forgetting to use one shouldn't be anything more than a "hey, you probably should use these". It wouldn't hurt as a guideline, but I'm not convinced it's specifically needed either. Either way, this isn't anything worth trying to strictly enforce. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:14, 22 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Eh.''' Edit summaries are to be encouraged, definitely, but the response to someone forgetting to use one shouldn't be anything more than a "hey, you probably should use these". It wouldn't hurt as a guideline, but I'm not convinced it's specifically needed either. Either way, this isn't anything worth trying to strictly enforce. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:14, 22 November 2015 (EST) | ||
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# '''Neutral.''' I personally feel that [[Help:Edit summary]] is sufficient and pretty much covers everything you need to know when adding edit summaries. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 16:55, 27 November 2015 (EST) | # '''Neutral.''' I personally feel that [[Help:Edit summary]] is sufficient and pretty much covers everything you need to know when adding edit summaries. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 16:55, 27 November 2015 (EST) | ||
# '''Neutral'''. I think that while there is the [[Help:Edit summary]] page, upon further comparison and analyzation of the content there and what is proposed here, I think that perhaps it is not as sufficient as it could be. Couple this with how that page is a Help page, which provides little reason for users to read it due to the oh so simple nature of writing Summaries in general. Policies and Guidelines do provide more reason for reading, as they are enforcement and strong suggestions, correspondingly. I know that content written in summaries, as well as the lack thereof, has been the spawn of some issues here, many of them being my fault, and perhaps if one or both of my eyes had caught a Guideline written about Summaries at the very bottom of the page, those could have been avoided, or perhaps not. Or, I could have just chosen to be wiser and more effective in communicating what I had changed in the pages I edited. Either way, and regardless of my personal and feelings and speculative thoughts, this a very minor thing to be dealing with, and people are responsible for how they write, fail to write, or respond to Edit Summaries. Therefore, this doesn't seem to be especially necessary. I would be '''mildly fine''' with it either being a '''Guideline''' or not existing at all, but definitely ''not'' a policy. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 22:47, 27 November 2015 (EST) | # '''Neutral'''. I think that while there is the [[Help:Edit summary]] page, upon further comparison and analyzation of the content there and what is proposed here, I think that perhaps it is not as sufficient as it could be. Couple this with how that page is a Help page, which provides little reason for users to read it due to the oh so simple nature of writing Summaries in general. Policies and Guidelines do provide more reason for reading, as they are enforcement and strong suggestions, correspondingly. I know that content written in summaries, as well as the lack thereof, has been the spawn of some issues here, many of them being my fault, and perhaps if one or both of my eyes had caught a Guideline written about Summaries at the very bottom of the page, those could have been avoided, or perhaps not. Or, I could have just chosen to be wiser and more effective in communicating what I had changed in the pages I edited. Either way, and regardless of my personal and feelings and speculative thoughts, this a very minor thing to be dealing with, and people are responsible for how they write, fail to write, or respond to Edit Summaries. Therefore, this doesn't seem to be especially necessary. I would be '''mildly fine''' with it either being a '''Guideline''' or not existing at all, but definitely ''not'' a policy. [[User:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:1px 1px 3px orange">'''Smashedpotatoes'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Smashedpotatoes|<span style="color:cerulean;text-shadow: 1px 1px 3px cyan">'''(Talk)'''</span>]] 22:47, 27 November 2015 (EST) | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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I'm not convinced that [[Help:Edit summary]] is really sufficient. First of all, even our beloved bureaucrat didn't know it existed until Smashed dug it up, so clearly not many people will read it. Secondly, it doesn't really cover when an edit summary should or shouldn't be used very well, with only a couple of bullet points as opposed to the relatively detailed sections this provide, and is instead focused on what it is and how it works (which is all well and good, but not what this was written up for). Comparing the two pages, I see very little similarities beyond the one tiny section on the Help and the basic subject. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 12:16, 28 November 2015 (EST) | I'm not convinced that [[Help:Edit summary]] is really sufficient. First of all, even our beloved bureaucrat didn't know it existed until Smashed dug it up, so clearly not many people will read it. Secondly, it doesn't really cover when an edit summary should or shouldn't be used very well, with only a couple of bullet points as opposed to the relatively detailed sections this provide, and is instead focused on what it is and how it works (which is all well and good, but not what this was written up for). Comparing the two pages, I see very little similarities beyond the one tiny section on the Help and the basic subject. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 12:16, 28 November 2015 (EST) | ||