Editing SmashWiki talk:Artwork

I guess the first question is: Why do you claim that "The purpose of the artwork of a character is to show users what inspired the design of said character"? That is not at all what I would consider it. The purpose of the general character articles are primarily to document the character as they appear in their home series, and then cover a few basic points about them in the Smash Bros. series. This implies that any artwork we have would be either relevant to them in their home series or relevant to them as they appear in the Smash Bros. series, and doesn't necessarily have to be both. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Prismatic 23:20, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
:Well, I agree insofar as information goes (which is why there's a "latest game" section in the infobox plus, like you said, info in their description about what they're up to these days), but for artwork, I think it's more important that users fully recognize the character that they're playing in the latest Super Smash Bros. game. Let's say a new Paper Mario game is the most recent game, and we upload artwork of Mario from it and place it in the infobox. Would that really be necessary, when we could have more recognizable artwork of him from 3D World? <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 00:21, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

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I mainly agree with this... although the Zelda thing seems unreasonable. Link's appearance closely resembles Skyward Sword's Link (really it feels like a cross between Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. So... Skyward Princess or Twilight Sword, I guess.), even though Zelda and Ganondorf's don't. Why wouldn't we use the most recent artwork of Link that also matches his design, even if Zelda and Ganondorf's designs don't? Obviously Sakurai doesn't care, or Zelda would use her appearance from Skyward Sword, and Ganondorf would be replaced with Demise. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 17:14, 26 August 2014 (EDT)
:I think Link's Skyward Sword artwork should stay, but it shouldn't be featured in the infobox. For any character, we could have "most recent artwork" placed in the description/history section if it's too different from the character's appearance in the latest ''Super Smash Bros.'' title. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 21:38, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
== On the topic of artwork. ==

I figured this would be the best place to put this, owing to its non-localised nature. Now then:

Some of our ''Melee'' character pages, such as [[Ice Climbers (SSBM)]] and [[Pichu (SSBM)]] have images within the "Attributes" section from the now-offline "Nintendorks" webpage on ''Melee''; others, however, lack this image, such as [[Link (SSBM)]] and [[Marth (SSBM)]]. 

Obviously, this creates an inconsistency we don't want to see on "groups" of pages. While attaining images for the other characters would be trivial (thanks to [https://web.archive.org/web/20070129004701/http://www.nintendorks.com/ssbmguide/characters/ The Wayback Machine]), I'm thinking a better course of action would be to simply excise these images, as they add little to the articles in question.

I'm hoping to get some input on this first, though, as to see whether or not keeping them and adding the companion images is worth our time.

That's all.

--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  21:03, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
:For consistency I agree they should be removed altogether, especially since they're just cropped from the 1P Mode endings with text added near the bottom. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 21:38, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

Just a forewarning: If no one raises any serious objections to this, I will remove all such images from articles and tag them with the deletion tag tomorrow (Monday, 1 September 2014).

--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>,  18:07, 31 August 2014 (EDT)

== A heads up ==

I'm not neglecting this proposal, I'm simply waiting until the Wiki's activity dies down. There are several images being uploaded since the release of SSB3DS and since this is still a proposal and not policy, it can't act as a guideline, so there's no point in bumping at the moment. When activity recedes, I'll press for more input. Also know that I'm open to amendments. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 20:13, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

==And this can't be put in [[SW:IMAGE]]?==
Per title. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 23:50, 29 November 2014 (EST)

== Make official or not official? ==

Bump. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Marine 18:14, 12 January 2015 (EST)
:Bump again. [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 01:10, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
::Consensus seems to be a bit too split to know for sure, actually. Personally, I think the best option is a section in [[SW:IMAGE]]. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: blue">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] Let's go Mets! ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:59, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Formal discussion ==

Since there's very few actual support/opposes, I figured it would be best to start this. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:52, 15 November 2015 (EST)

===Support===
#'''Support''' ONLY if we don't add to SW:IMAGE. Very neatly written, very descriptive, a very good proposal! [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 10:57, 15 November 2015 (EST)
===Oppose===
#'''Leave less restricted''', this seems like it's overly specific and I disagree with a few of the details. I think stuff like this is better handled on a "general guideline with case by case discussion" basis than "do it this way no matter what". [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:58, 23 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oppose''' on the principle that people seem to not understand why we have the general character articles in the first place, and are thus pushing a set of rules that don't fit that reasoning. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 14:21, 23 November 2015 (EST)
#:The goal of those pages is to explain the characters themselves: their origin and basic Smash facts about them. If this policy were to pass, artwork used would have to cover both bases. It would show both the designs of the character in their home series and roughly how they look in Smash (a basic fact). [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #800000;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 14:29, 23 November 2015 (EST)
#::I am starting to wonder why we need a policy on this in the first place though. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 14:31, 23 November 2015 (EST)
# Upon consideration, I '''oppose''' this policy. I see no reason to have it, and like Miles said, most art should be considered on a case by case basis. Additionally, I don't really find it necessary, as debates over art happen far and few between. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 14:38, 23 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oppose''' per all. Also partially because it was a kneejerk reaction to me being unable to notice a tailfin. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  14:39, 23 November 2015 (EST)
#Change to '''weak oppose'''. Just because it's harmless and agreeable doesn't mean it's necessary. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #800000;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 15:20, 23 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Oppose'''. This is far too restrictive and nit-picky. A policy about artwork might be helpful, but this isn't. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  18:08, 24 November 2015 (EST)

===Add to [[SW:IMAGE]]===
#<s>A summarized version of this would fit right into the policy, and this topic doesn't deviate too far from what the Image policy covers anyway.</s>[[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:52, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Support''' ONLY if we don't make this a seperate policy, as this could go well with SW:IMAGE. [[file:INoMedssig.png|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red"><font face="Times New Roman">[[User:INoMed|<font color="red">'''INoMed'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:INoMed|<font color="red">'''''(Talk • '''''</font>]][[User:INoMed/Contribs|<font color="red">'''''Contribs)'''''</font>]]</sup></font></span> 10:57, 15 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Support''' As INoMed said, this could go really well with SW:IMAGE, as there are aspects that this covers that the latter doesn't quite cover, which could mislead some newer users into thinking they're doing something right when really they aren't. Furthermore, in my opinion, we really don't need to have this separate, as it can very easily be compatible with said policy onto the page. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 00:52, 16 November 2015 (EST)
#'''Partial Support''': I agree with most of the general write-up; I don't mind integration into [[SW:IMAGE]] (be it this policy's own sub-page or this policy's own page section). However, I think that artwork regarding "[[Mii]] costumes" should be clarified (like the current implementations of [[X (Mega Man)]] and [[King K. Rool]]). I also think that "crossover" art should be discouraged (like ''Project X Zone'' or guest artwork for a non-home series game) - alternatively, if it ''is'' used due to "most recent appearance" purposes and/or due to supplementing the article, then the article in question should also have at least 1 piece of "non-crossover" artwork within the article. I disagree with the omission of [[Young Link]]'s ''The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time 3D'' artwork; I feel that it can be included in his article along with the original ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]'' artwork. I also disagree with [[Assist Trophies]], [[Poké Ball]] [[Pokémon]], and non-[[Subspace Emissary]]-originating enemy characters having "home series" artwork omitted from their respective articles - as long as there is a dedicated article for the Assist Trophy/Pokémon/non-SSE-enemy character in question, they should be allowed one piece of useful non-''Super Smash Bros.'' artwork to properly demonstrate the basis for the ''Super Smash Bros.'' implementation's design. It just seems weird that Mii costumes get home series artwork compared to these "assist and/or enemy" characters, especially since these characters have more of an influence on gameplay when contrasted with the Mii costumes. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 21:48, 17 November 2015 (EST)
#:To be fair, Mii costumes are far more based on aesthetics in concept than enemies, so that may be part of the reasoning. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:maroon;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #800000;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 20:18, 19 November 2015 (EST)
#It seems this is going to be the most popular opinion, probably because it makes more sense. This article fits wery well in the SW:IMAGE page, bringing up what SW:IMAGE doesn't cover, and further elucidating how images should be used. [[User:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Gold">'''Drill Blaster'''</span> <span style="color:LightBlue">'''Mark'''</span> <span style="color:Crimson">'''2'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:Drill Blaster Mark 2|<span style="color:Grey">(talk)</span>]]'' 03:07, 18 November 2015 (EST)
#<s>If highly summarized (I don't want SW:IMAGE to suddenly be a wall of text), I support. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:21, 22 November 2015 (EST)</s>
#'''Support.''' I'm pretty indifferent to this, but this sounds like a nice idea. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 15:53, 23 November 2015 (EST)

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