Editing Help talk:Edit summary

==Proposal==
It needs work, but I think we could use a help page on edit summaries. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 14:42, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

'''Support''' Just as long as we don't start harassing users to use summaries for ''every'' edit, which imo can get annoying. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 15:13, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

{{y|16px}} Only critique is to agree with Royboy; a minor note should be added saying that not every edit needs an edit summary. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:16, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

'''Support''' Edit summaries should be a common aspect when editing wikis. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Link OoT Dots.PNG|16px]] The Achiever 23:29, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

Okay I've gone and done some rewriting to try and get across that summaries are not mandatory for every single edit. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quintonic 12:21, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

'''Support''' Yeah. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 19:06, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

'''Support''' Per the other users; they're also very useful guidelines on how summaries should be generally structured. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 23:28, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

'''Support''' Agreed. --[[User:Starman125|Starman125]] ([[User talk:Starman125|talk]]) 23:36, 2 August 2014 (EDT)

I think this is safe to pass, anything we find wrong we can fix. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:28, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

'''Support''' Yep, looks good to me. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:47, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

== From User talk:Serpent King/Sandbox/Help:Edit summary rewrite ==

My opinion: 👍 [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: red;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:green;">'''The Festive Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:55, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Meh... <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  21:19, 29 November 2015 (EST)
:? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:20, 29 November 2015 (EST)
::idk. It just feels lacking. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  21:21, 29 November 2015 (EST)
:::Feel free to edit. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:22, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Bumping this <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:47, 13 January 2016 (EST)
:<big>BUMP</big> [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 14:36, 19 January 2016 (EST)
::Bump <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 17:30, 21 January 2016 (EST)
::: '''Support'''. Much more fluid and well-written. [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]][[User talk:Penro|and]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] main.  17:31, 21 January 2016 (EST)

I think as a help page this would be fine, but I'm still not convinced it should be just a help page. Since the edit summaries policy failed we've actually effectively been enforcing it as a policy without reason. I'm not convinced we shouldn't just reopen that. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  18:41, 21 January 2016 (EST)
:Understood, but for the time being, this should function as a help page. Discussion on whether or not to make it more than that should take place at a different time. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:06, 21 January 2016 (EST)
::Then I guess '''very weak support'''. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  19:14, 21 January 2016 (EST)

== New users ==

It's basically been an unwritten rule, and it's happened enough to the point where it should be noted here. Besides, is there anything about the line that you really disagree with? Should we get mad at newbies for not knowing what an edit summary is? [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 13:27, 1 March 2018 (EST)
:On one hand, Ac2k has a point; most new users don't even know the RC exists. On the other, those same users don't likely read their talk pages either (much less respond to comments left for them). [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:36, 1 March 2018 (EST)
::The thing about talk pages is that all users receive a notification saying that they have a new message on their talk page, so they would be more likely to read that than an edit summary. If they choose to ignore it, then it's a problem of not obeying the rules, instead of being unaware that they were doing wrong. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 13:50, 1 March 2018 (EST)

@Black Vulpine: Read the damn talk page. This was discussed already. If you don't like it then say something. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 12:22, 2 March 2018 (EST)
:As per Aidan, as well as my own experiences, past performance indicates that posting on talk pages for new users is no more effective than edit summaries. So what's the point? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 17:25, 2 March 2018 (EST)
::You're misunderstanding the point of this. It's not concerning whether you post on a talk page and the user straight up ignores it, nothing's going to fix that. What's problematic is people commenting in edit summaries, and then getting mad at the newbie because they "didn't read the edit summary." [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 20:09, 2 March 2018 (EST)
:::So your proposed change will result in people getting mad because they're not reading the talk pages. It will change nothing. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 20:16, 2 March 2018 (EST)
::::It will prevent users from getting mad at newbies for not reading the edit summaries, where saying things like "Stop ignoring my edit summaries" could intimidate or scare the new user who is still learning the ropes. Just because your efforts to communicate with newbies have failed doesn't mean that this will never happen again, and it needs to be addressed. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 20:20, 2 March 2018 (EST)
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