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==Round 161: [[Roy]] vs. [[Ike]]==
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size=5>'''Winner!!'''</font><br><font size=3>'''''Ike'''''</font><br>[[Image:Ike SSBB.jpg|225px|center]]<br><font size=3>''18 to 22''</font><br>
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===Votes for ''Roy''===
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#Roy is more coolsauce and he's not arrogant and boastful. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Kirby]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 11:04, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#<font color=#ff8000>Because he has fire.</font> [[User:Bandit|<span style="background:rgba(255, 128, 0, 0.25);font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(186.5,100%,50%)">Bandit</span>]] 12:26, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#He's our boy. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 12:56, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Because Roy's redesign in Fire Emblem: Kakusei doesn't look nearly as retarded as Ike's. --- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 13:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#He has <font color=darkred>th3 ph1re!!!!!!</font> [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="orange">Halloween</font>]] 15:14, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Because I never play as Ike in ''Brawl''. ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]][[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="black">123</font>]]'' 16:56, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Very close, but I choose Roy in the end. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  00:42, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#A right ''roy''al rumble. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 07:57, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#We dislike Ike! <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 22:22, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#Roy's our boy! [[Special:Contributions/142.244.164.103|142.244.164.103]] 13:02, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
#He's unlockable, plus I don't use Ike in ''Brawl''. [[User:SSBBNess|<span style="color: blue;">'''SSBBNess'''</span>]] ([[User talk:SSBBNess|<span style="color: orange;">talk</span>]]) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 15:30, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike: I'M TOO CHEAP! [[Special:Contributions/217.44.196.42|217.44.196.42]] 04:06, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
#No! Roy must not lose! Roy's way better than Ike! <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  07:30, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
#[[Special:Contributions/66.188.18.174|66.188.18.174]] 15:16, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
#Go Roy! [[Special:Contributions/67.173.145.76|67.173.145.76]] 02:44, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
#'''''"Roy's our boy!!"''''' This was a ''very'' difficult match for me to decide... T_T As much I am inherently linked with Ike, his awesomeness is trumped by the [[Roy|one swordsman]] that introduced one of the coolest techniques ever to me: The peerless, [[OHKO]]-ing [[Flare Blade]]. Both [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayingWithFire fiery] [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MasterSwordsman swordsmen] are cool; had lots of fun playing as Roy in ''SSB Melee'' and Ike in ''SSB Brawl''; hopefully, both of them triumphantly return in SSB4. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 17:22, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
#Well, he is my best character in Melee. <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 00:24, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
# What Fenyx4 said. [[Special:Contributions/117.254.216.201|117.254.216.201]] 07:25, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
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===Votes for ''Ike''===
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#One must not simply add fire to Marth. <font style="font-family:arial narrow">[[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:royalblue">'''Lightning'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:darkblue">'''Blue'''</font>]]</font>[[File:405MS.png|link=Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] 10:58, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Because Great Aether. That's all it takes for Ike to be infinitely more awesome.[[Special:Contributions/174.20.251.84|174.20.251.84]] 12:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Less of a clone. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] I am the air con. 14:13, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#he's cool. [[User:Floor2000x|Floor2000x]] ([[User talk:Floor2000x|talk]]) 14:17, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#We Like Ike! [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.194|204.191.140.194]] 14:44, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike's Final Smash is awesome and He has strong attacks [[User:Boxman992|Boxman992]] ([[User talk:Boxman992|talk]]) 15:30, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike's moveset is better, stronger and looks great too! [[User:SuperBowser|SuperBowser]] ([[User talk:SuperBowser|talk]]) 2:40, 28 October 2012 (IST)
#Note to self: make up better reasons than Brawl > Melee. [[Special:Contributions/24.168.104.230|24.168.104.230]] 17:38, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#I like the Tellius storyline in Fire Emblem, so Ike gets my vote. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 19:13, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Lemme tell ya somethin': it is a pain to KO with Roy without using the same reliable finisher every time. Now with Ike, he may be hindered a great deal with painfully slow attack speed, but his attacks beat the banjos out of Roy's arensal, I'll tell you what. [[Special:Contributions/71.199.133.103|71.199.133.103]] 20:23, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#So, so, so, so many reasons why I choose him. Also, I hate Fire Emblem! [[User:Supersmash4|Supersmash4]] ([[User talk:Supersmash4|talk]]) 21:07, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike says: "GREAT AETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and Roy says: Nothing cool whatsoever. [[User:Nintendosega75|Nintendosega75]] ([[User talk:Nintendosega75|talk]]) 21:09, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike, in my opinion, seems to be the strongest character in the game. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:43, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
#[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWCrsKLEByQ#t=34s Because I can do this]--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 06:08, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike is one of my favourite characters, both in Smash Bros. and Fire Emblem. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 09:09, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike has some actual useable aerial attacks, and doesn't just have two moves to kill with. He simply is a better character with a much better moveset who is also not an inferior clone. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:31, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#He has no sypathy for vandels.[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 22:15, 28 October 2012 (EDT)
#I think Omega Tyrant-sama said it best. [[User:Hawk 21|<font color="maroon">'''Hawk'''</font> <font color="orange">'''21'''</font>]][[File:PSIWolf sig 1.png|20px]][[User talk:Hawk 21|''<span style="color: red;">'''Talk'''</span>'']]  08:37, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
#Ike is stronger. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  09:58, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
# We like Ike. We Like Ike. We Like Ike.[[Special:Contributions/94.1.111.135|94.1.111.135]] 16:33, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
# [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hLG8k42mLA Because Ike can do this.] [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 23:01, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

===Half-votes===
#Puh-lease Ike is way stronger, he can wield a heavy sword with one hand and plus his attacks do way more damage! {{unsigned|Darkzekrom0|11:56 AM, October 29, 2012 (EST)}}
#I like Ike and have never played Melee. {{unsigned|SuperSmashBrawl|6:00 PM, October 28, 2012 (UTC)}}
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Black text on a blue background is almost as bad as black text on a navy background... <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] has a long signature 17:01, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
:I agree I could barely see the votes at all on my iPad. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="orange">Halloween</font>]] 17:49, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
::XD "Let me tell ya somethin'" <font style="font-family:arial narrow">[[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:royalblue">'''Lightning'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:darkblue">'''Blue'''</font>]]</font>[[File:405MS.png|link=Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] 21:58, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
:::It is as bad as having to highlight just to read my own username. [[User:F1reBurn1ng|F1reBurn1ng]] ([[User talk:F1reBurn1ng|talk]]) 23:03, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
::::I lightened the background. If Toomai objects, he can change it back. [[User:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">Mousehunter321</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">talk</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Mousehunter321|<font face="Calibri">contributions</font>]])</small> 00:12, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
:::::Wrong, you made it darker. And yes I did change it back because this blue has been used many times in the past with few if any complaints, and it will continue to be used in the future. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 10:32, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
:::::Alright I goofed in claiming you made it darker. I maintain that the change was unwarranted. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Emissary 19:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
This was ShupaRoeh's suggestion. Why didn't my suggestion make it? [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  11:07, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
::Because either it wasn't as good, people opposed it, or Toomai didn't like it. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:black">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:orange">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] OH GOD A HURRICANE 11:16, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
:How do you know your suggestion's not in the queue? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Free 12:41, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
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==Round 162: [[Flat Zone]] vs. [[Flat Zone 2]]==
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===Votes for ''Flat Zone''===
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# Flat Zone 2 was a bitch, especially with the blast lines. And even though I haven't played ''Melee'', it looks like it has a better layout.--[[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] '''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color="red">PSIWolf</font>]]''''' <small>[[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color="black">The one</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color="black">and only!</font>]]</small> 10:35, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#This stage doesn't change often unlike Flat Zone 2. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Doom]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 10:38, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#So much simpler.[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 11:00, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Helmet, my favorite G&W game. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="brown">Thanksgiving</font>]] 11:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Better '''song'''. [[User:Bandit|<span style="background:rgba(255, 128, 0, 0.25);font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(181.25,100%,50%)">Bandit</span>]] 12:05, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#The older the better. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  12:11, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
# '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 12:54, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Smaller and simple for fun, quick matches. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 13:04, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Why can't they just make a Manhole-based one which allows for meteor smashes? [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 13:17, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Something about it makes it cooler. [[User:Shanderu|<font color="purple">'''Shan'''</font>]][[User talk:Shanderu|<font style="color:darkorange;">'''deru'''</font>]] [[File:MiniGhost.png|16px]]  16:02, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Better music. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  16:55, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#A world of pain awaits players in Flat Zone 2 with its constantly changing layout. Here, not so much. But...watch out for falling tools! [[Special:Contributions/71.199.133.103|71.199.133.103]] 17:09, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#This one is way more faithful. Flat Zone 2 is Pictochat level unfaithful. [[User:Supersmash4|Supersmash4]] ([[User talk:Supersmash4|talk]]) 18:40, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Helmet is the shit! <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 19:48, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#I always had good times with Melee. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 20:28, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#I prefer the layout and music of this stage more. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 22:23, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#I'll give this one to Melee. [[Special:Contributions/217.44.196.22|217.44.196.22]] 03:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Flat Zone 2''===
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# A toss up but the Fire and Chef stages seem more appealing. <font style="font-family:arial narrow">[[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:royalblue">'''Lightning'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:darkblue">'''Blue'''</font>]]</font>[[File:405MS.png|link=Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] 12:23, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#Has more games to showcase. [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.194|204.191.140.194]] 12:54, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#I almost never play on Flat Zone because I find the music very disturbing. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  13:14, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#New and improved! <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] Goo goo g'joob. 13:33, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#[insert generic ''brawl'' is better than ''melee'' vote here] ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]][[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="black">123</font>]]'' 16:22, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#This one changes and is way more fun. [[User:Nintendosega75|Nintendosega75]] ([[User talk:Nintendosega75|talk]]) 14:57, 4 November 2012 (EST)
#MUCH better music. [[User:SSBBNess|<span style="color: blue;">'''SSBBNess'''</span>]] ([[User talk:SSBBNess|<span style="color: orange;">talk</span>]]) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 09:10, 5 November 2012 (EST)
#[[Special:Contributions/142.244.164.178|142.244.164.178]] 13:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)
#Pity vote. <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 21:54, 6 November 2012 (EST)
#Just 'cause. [[Special:Contributions/129.128.29.72|129.128.29.72]] 10:03, 8 November 2012 (EST)
#I have more experience with this stage, and Flat Zone 2's stage transformations cause it to be a slightly more lively stage compared to the relatively "static" Flat Zone 1. It would've been nice if both stages were present in ''SSB Brawl'' similar to how both Pokémon Stadiums 1 & 2 were present. Here's hoping both Flat Zone stages return for SSB4. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 22:46, 8 November 2012 (EST)
#The extremely close blast lines aren't quite as problematic here, and the stage as a whole is slightly more interesting. Still a terrible stage, but not quite as bad. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:23, 8 November 2012 (EST)
#The music is what made me vote for this stage. =] Also, I never like playing on Flat Zone 1. =| [[Special:Contributions/67.173.145.76|67.173.145.76]] 16:37, 9 November 2012 (EST)

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#Never played melee before and flat zone2 is epic go brawl. The changes are awesome and CPUs oftenSD on it I win the brawl woo! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:95.149.41.231|95.149.41.231]] ([[User talk:95.149.41.231|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/95.149.41.231|contribs]]) 15:05, 3 November 2012</small>
#I 'unno. I do like Flat Zone 2's music more, and its gimmicks make for some truly stupid fun. [[User:Hawk 21|<font color="maroon">'''Hawk'''</font> <font color="orange">'''21'''</font>]][[File:PSIWolf sig 1.png|20px]][[User talk:Hawk 21|''<span style="color: red;">'''Talk'''</span>'']]  11:15, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
#flat zone two is awesome <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:99.148.204.222|99.148.204.222]] ([[User talk:99.148.204.222|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/99.148.204.222|contribs]]) 14:06, 8 November 2012 (EST)</small>
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===Comments===
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On the main page, the emblem for Flat Zone uses the Brawl Game & Watch emblem. Shouldn't it use the melee emblem as that stage was only in melee? <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  20:59, 6 November 2012 (EST)
:I don't think it will make much of a diffrence. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="brown">Thanksgiving</font>]] 21:04, 6 November 2012 (EST)
::You're right, it really wouldn't, but I felt like I should point it out. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  21:10, 6 November 2012 (EST)
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==Round 163: [[Light Arrow]] vs. [[Critical Hit]]==
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===Votes for ''Light Arrow''===
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#Why not? [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="brown">Thanksgiving</font>]] 12:35, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Light Arrow can go through solid surface. [[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 12:50, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Pity vote. But I must admit, Marth's is way cooler. [[User:Nintendosega75|Nintendosega75]] ([[User talk:Nintendosega75|talk]]) 13:51, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#I've never survived.[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 14:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#I dislike Marth a lot, and personally I think Light Arrow looks cooler, even if it's not an OHKO. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 21:00, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#LoZ over Fire Emblem any day.[[Special:Contributions/68.115.61.130|68.115.61.130]] 12:22, 12 November 2012 (EST)
#It can't kill the user.--[[Special:Contributions/71.160.139.126|71.160.139.126]] 02:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)
#Favourite Final Smash. =D [[Special:Contributions/142.244.110.83|142.244.110.83]] 11:25, 14 November 2012 (EST)
#Pity vote. Plus, it's how you defeat Ganon(dorf) in ''Ocarina of Time''. <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 20:37, 14 November 2012 (EST)
#I promise you, Light Arrow, next time I play through ''Minish Cap'', I will obtain you. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 20:48, 14 November 2012 (EST)
#Vote for Zelly. [[Special:Contributions/67.173.145.76|67.173.145.76]] 00:59, 16 November 2012 (EST)
#Sheik's light arrow helped me beat the guys at my dorm who excel at Smash (the only match I won against him, and there was a third player, which helps). ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]][[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="black">123</font>]]'' 01:07, 16 November 2012 (EST)
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===Votes for ''Critical Hit''===
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#Almost always an instant KO. [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.194|204.191.140.194]] 00:37, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Fire Emblem is freakin' awesome. [[Special:Contributions/24.168.93.165|24.168.93.165]] 00:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#I've survived Light Arrow without the aid of anything to reduce/halt my knockback, the same can't be said for Critical Hit. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:01, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Both can be easy to dodge, but at least Light Arrow can have some chances of surviving. Critical Hit, well, not so much. (Per OT) [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Doom]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 01:24, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Deadlier.--[[File:Wolfsig.png|19px]] '''''[[User:PSIWolf|<font color="red">PSIWolf</font>]]''''' <small>[[User talk:PSIWolf|<font color="black">The one</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<font color="black">and only!</font>]]</small> 06:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#I can bucket brake Sheik's, but not this. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 08:18, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Way more powerful!! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  08:27, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#I can easily say that I survived Light Arrow w/o MCing. Critical Hit... uh... not much luck. I love OHKO attacks! <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 10:59, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#It's Marth. Besides, Zelda's is too quick and easy to miss with. [[User:SSBBNess|<span style="color: blue;">'''SSBBNess'''</span>]] ([[User talk:SSBBNess|<span style="color: orange;">talk</span>]]) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 11:23, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#I don't like LoZ that I have such a tendency to pick on Legend of Zelda characters. But enough about that; Critical Hit rocks! When Marth catches someone with Critical Hit, you...Are...OUT OF HERE! I have a hunch the unreal attack strength of this final smash is on par with Tabuu's Off Waves. Good luck surviving such a colossal blow! Sakurai and his crew did ''something'' right, I'll tell you what. [[Special:Contributions/67.166.229.4|67.166.229.4]] 14:48, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#This... is barely a contest. Critical Hit is just SO MUCH BETTER. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] IИ SФVIЗT ЯЦSSIД, SIGЙДTЦЯЭ SIGИ '''УФЦ!''' 14:53, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#If only Ganon's health bar went down that low from a Light Arrow in Ocarina of Time. <font style="font-family:arial narrow">[[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:royalblue">'''Lightning'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:darkblue">'''Blue'''</font>]]</font>[[File:405MS.png|link=Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] 22:56, 10 November 2012 (EST)
#Cooler. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 05:27, 11 November 2012 (EST)
#Better, realy.[[User:Heisei-Paratroopa|Heisei-Paratroopa]] ([[User talk:Heisei-Paratroopa|talk]]) 17:12, 11 November 2012 (EST)
#They're both awesome, but I like Marth, so Critical Hit it is.[[Special:Contributions/174.20.251.84|174.20.251.84]] 18:26, 11 November 2012 (EST)
#Fire Emblem.  And it's just a better attack. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 19:54, 11 November 2012 (EST)
#'Dat ownage. [[Special:Contributions/217.44.196.22|217.44.196.22]] 03:14, 12 November 2012 (EST)
# Marth is much cooler than zelda. This final smash is awesome.[[Special:Contributions/92.42.57.34|92.42.57.34]] 06:15, 12 November 2012 (EST)
# It's a guaranteed one-hit KO.[[User:SuperBowser|SuperBowser]] ([[User talk:SuperBowser|talk]]) 16:20, 12 November 2012 (EST)
#Marth all the Way! <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  17:29, 12 November 2012 (EST)
#Look at all that HP drop! [[Special:Contributions/129.128.29.72|129.128.29.72]] 10:07, 15 November 2012 (EST)
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I know that I'm a little late to comment on this round, but I think that a Light Arrow (Zelda) vs. Light Arrow (Sheik) battle would be interesting. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)
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==Round 164: [[Sonic]] vs. [[Shadow]]==
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#Sonic is faster!! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Green">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Green">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  10:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#I like him more. [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.194|204.191.140.194]] 11:48, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#I would vote for Shadow, but Sonic actually has been having some decent games lately. Also, Shadow seems very uninspired. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 12:16, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#Despite his games being sluggish and that his attacks don't have much knockback, Sonic would always be cool to me since 1991. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Thanksgiving]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 12:18, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#To spare RD the anguish of eyes stabbed out by a dull spoon. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 12:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#The older, the better! [[User:PepsiBoy|<font color="darkblue">Pepsi</font>]][[User talk:PepsiBoy|<font color="red">Boy</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/PepsiBoy|<font color="brown">I am back!</font>]] 12:23, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#Because... his image is transparent. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:43, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#I don't really like Sonic, but I really don't like Shadow. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 12:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#His series was epic, especially in late 2011. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 12:51, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#Sonic is better. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.156.108|108.162.156.108]] 14:01, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#I... can't see anything...[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 14:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#Sonic is my 2nd favorite character. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 09:55, 18 November 2012 (EST)
#Nothing wrong with Shadow, for his role, he's perfect, I just like Sonic more, that's all! [[User:TheAwesomefroggy|TheAwesomefroggy]] ([[User talk:TheAwesomefroggy|talk]]) 18:47, 18 November 2012 (EST)
#[[Special:Contributions/142.244.109.159|142.244.109.159]] 11:36, 19 November 2012 (EST)
#You're too slow! [[User:SSBBNess|<span style="color: blue;">'''SSBBNess'''</span>]] ([[User talk:SSBBNess|<span style="color: orange;">talk</span>]]) [[File:SSBBNess sig image.png]] 13:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)
#Have always preferred Sonic to Shadow. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 18:12, 20 November 2012 (EST)
#Kids, there's nothing more cool than being hugged by someone you like. But if someone tries to touch you in a place or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's '''no good'''. It's ''your'' body; no one has the right to touch you if you don't want them to! So what do you do? First, you say 'No!' Then, you get outta there! Most important, you gotta tell someone you trust, like your parents, your teacher, a police officer. <font face="Eurostile" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><sup>([[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|Talk]])</sup> 23:11, 20 November 2012 (EST)
#This shall be a pity vote. I'm not much of a Sonic player due to his rock-bottom move set and KO potential in relation to every other character, but at the same time, Shadow does nothing to damage anyone, let alone KO. [[Special:Contributions/67.166.229.4|67.166.229.4]] 20:43, 21 November 2012 (EST)
#--[[User:TommyNook|TommyNook]] ([[User talk:TommyNook|talk]]) 11:07, 22 November 2012 (EST)

===Half-Votes===
#Sonic is actually playable and shadow is rubbish <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:95.149.41.231|95.149.41.231]] ([[User talk:95.149.41.231|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/95.149.41.231|contribs]]) 11:57, 17 November 2012 (EST)</small>
#sonic rocks<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:99.102.69.210|99.102.69.210]] ([[User talk:99.102.69.210|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/99.102.69.210|contribs]]) 21:58, 17 November,2012 (EST)</small>
#Sonic is the best videogame character yet by my opinion (and mario, but right now, this is about Sonic.).-Kaizer[[Special:Contributions/24.185.135.102|24.185.135.102]] 18:41, 19 November 2012 (EST)
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#He has a gun! [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="brown">Thanksgiving</font>]] 10:27, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#He's the only Sonic newcomer I want in SSB4. Most people are wanting Dr. Eggman, but come on, he's a boss not a playable character. [[User:Nintendosega75|Nintendosega75]] ([[User talk:Nintendosega75|talk]]) 14:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#I was going to vote for Sonic, but I forgot why. ''[[User:JamesHeart123|<font color="blue">James</font>]][[User talk:JamesHeart123|<font color="orange">Heart</font>]][[Special:Contributions/JamesHeart123|<font color="black">123</font>]]'' 15:54, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#Bow your heads low, all hail Shadow! [[Special:Contributions/24.168.93.165|24.168.93.165]] 19:08, 17 November 2012 (EST)
#Why would anyone vote for sonic. Shadow is a better and much cooler version of him. [[Special:Contributions/94.15.44.170|94.15.44.170]] 02:53, 18 November 2012 (EST)
#Pity vote, and also so people can actually read my signature. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] is a siam cat 15:48, 18 November 2012 (EST)
#I know Sonic will win no matter what I do, but, in all honesty, Shadow has all of Sonic's powers, plus the whole Chaos Control thing.[[Special:Contributions/174.20.251.84|174.20.251.84]] 21:12, 18 November 2012 (EST)
#Shadow.[[Special:Contributions/92.42.57.34|92.42.57.34]] 06:07, 19 November 2012 (EST)
#How do you make Sonic more BA? Make him black[[Special:Contributions/68.115.61.130|68.115.61.130]] 12:33, 20 November 2012 (EST)
#He's got a hairy chest. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)
#[[Special:Contributions/129.128.29.72|129.128.29.72]] 10:02, 22 November 2012 (EST)
#He has control over time. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 13:52, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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#Why not vote for Shadow he is amazing! He is about as fast as Sonic plus he is Sonic,only he was created. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:184.148.175.213|184.148.175.213]] ([[User talk:184.148.175.213|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/184.148.175.213|contribs]]) </small>


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I'm wondering why the Brawl artwork wasn't used for this battle. That doesn't mean I don't like it though, in fact I think it kinda cool. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  17:53, 20 November 2012 (EST)
:Probably wanted to make it more in-universe or something. [[Special:Contributions/108.29.19.27|108.29.19.27]] 21:23, 21 November 2012 (EST)
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==Round 165: [[Wii Remote]] vs. [[Nunchuk]] vs. [[Classic Controller]] vs. [[GameCube Controller]]==
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#I'm way too used to using this controller. [[Special:Contributions/204.191.140.194|204.191.140.194]] 13:23, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Hah! I pity the fool...er, second-fool. --[[Special:Contributions/68.43.192.71|68.43.192.71]] 13:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#We can move it around anywhere! [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  23:10, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#it's the simplest. [[User:Floor2000x|Floor2000x]] ([[User talk:Floor2000x|talk]]) 20:39, 25 November 2012 (EST)
#Can't start the game without it. [[Special:Contributions/129.128.29.72|129.128.29.72]] 10:16, 29 November 2012 (EST)
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#Who hasn't used this one.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:184.148.175.213|184.148.175.213]] ([[User talk:184.148.175.213|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/184.148.175.213|contribs]]) 18:48, 24 November 2012 (EST)</small>
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===Votes for ''Nunchuk''===
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#That's right. This is how I play Brawl. Come at me. '''''[[User:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:maroon;">--Havoc</span>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<span style="color:brown;">48</span>]]<span style="color:navy;"> >:D!!!</span>''''' 11:02, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Whoa, I suggested this! Anyway, I'm voting for this because the Nunchuk is the best controller scheme, despite what the ''Melee'' fans might tell you. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] I FEEL FANTASTIC 14:07, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#I use this control scheme. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  18:14, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#As do I. --[[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 18:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Same here.[[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury ]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 19:00, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Ditto. [[Special:Contributions/108.14.75.62|108.14.75.62]] 21:37, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#I'm too used to these controls to vote against it.--[[Special:Contributions/72.67.142.81|72.67.142.81]] 00:16, 26 November 2012 (EST)
#Just like the word nunchucks. [[Special:Contributions/142.244.213.76|142.244.213.76]] 14:27, 27 November 2012 (EST)
#You can actually roll with this[[Special:Contributions/68.115.61.130|68.115.61.130]] 10:04, 30 November 2012 (EST)
====Half-Votes====
#I played with this from the beginning & i have ever since. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:115.184.82.206|115.184.82.206]] ([[User talk:115.184.82.206|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/115.184.82.206|contribs]]) 13:08, 28 November 2012 (EST)</small>
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===Votes for ''Classic Controller''===
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#Please. I use this with my computer, and it is quite fun, especially with when browsing the web, emulation and playing PC games. [[User:Fugudev|<font style="color:blue">Fugu</font>]][[User talk:Fugudev|<font style="color:pink">dev</font>]] 15:17, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Only one I know how to use, and I use it well. [[User:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Naked'''</font>]] [[User talk:Naked Snake|<font color="darkgreen" size="2px">'''Snake'''</font>]] [[File:200px-Naked Snake.jpg |19px|]] 20:27, 25 November 2012 (EST)
#It has a similar layout to the Gamecube controller while not being a straight-up clone. <span style="font-family:Minya Nouvelle">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 19:08, 30 November 2012 (EST)
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===Votes for ''GameCube Controller''===
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#Can be used in all three games thanks to the Virtual Console. [[User:Toadat9021doh|Toadat9021doh]] ([[User talk:Toadat9021doh|talk]]) 10:58, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#.This is the one controller that I remember holding a lot, since I used to love playing my GameCube (and still do), and I still love using it on my Wii. --[[User:Airconny|<font color="blue">'''Airconny'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Airconny|talk]]) 11:03, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Always going to stick with this controller, which almost makes me reluctant to buy a Wii U. The GameCube controller is also perhaps the most used in Smash competitive gaming. I don't think many people are used to play with a Wiimote or Wiimote and Nunchuck and I don't even have a classic controller. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Thanksgiving]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 11:04, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#The sole reason I am not going to perform a Wii to Wii U system transfer. I can't leave this controller behind. Wii Remote and Wii Remote + Nunchuck's difficulty with smash attacks are problematic, and the Classic Controller, while decent, has a few flaws, such as the control sticks being too tall for the comfort of my thumbs. Perhaps when somebody makes an unofficial GameCube controller/port for Wii U, I will (I have faith this will happen). I already reckon I'll be using the Wii U GamePad for ''SSB4'', however. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:24, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Once you play ''Melee'', you can't stop using this controller. [[User:Terrible|<font color="grey">Terrible</font>]] [[User talk:Terrible|<font color="green">is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Terrible|<font color="brown">Thanksgiving</font>]] 12:18, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Mine broke, I stink at Smash Bros. now.[[User:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Cheese|<font color="FFD700">'''''Cheese'''''</font>]] [[File:The Cheese.png|19px]] 12:48, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#No contest. <font face="Arial">[[User:ShupaRoeh|<font color="red">Shu</font><font color="green">pa]][[User Talk:ShupaRoeh|</font><font color="blue">Roeh</font></font>]][[File:TypicalGuy.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/ShupaRoeh]] 13:36, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Do I even need to say why this one's the best? Also, how come my buddy Supersmash4 isn't allowed to vote in these anymore? [[User:Nintendosega75|Nintendosega75]] ([[User talk:Nintendosega75|talk]]) 14:02, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#I don't know how I was ever able to use the Wii Remote and Nunchuk back when I first got this game. I always use the Gamecube Controller. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:brown">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]]  14:06, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#I will never part with this controller. The GameCube was my first system (MK:DD being my first game), and I am still inseparable from this controller and many GameCube games. Plus, I can play all 3 ''Smash'' games with it! '''[[User:DarkFox01|<font color="darkred">DarkFox01:</font>]] [[User talk:DarkFox01|<font color="red">Gobble</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|<font color="orange">gobble</font>]][[Special:Editcount/DarkFox01|<font color="gold">gobble</font>]]''' 16:21, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#I feel comfortable with the GCN controller; the Nunchuk and Wiimote to play Brawl will only cause me pain. [[Special:Contributions/67.166.229.4|67.166.229.4]] 19:49, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#I was always comfortable using this controller, and I'm the best with this out of all of the 4 ways to play ''Brawl''. Too bad the same can't be said for the Wii U. :( <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 20:21, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Most optimal design for tech skill and probably the only viable controller in competitive play, except perhaps the wii-mote + nunchuk. Then again only 2 professionals use wiimote and nunchuk (UltimateRazer and Tearbear).--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 23:23, 24 November 2012 (EST)
#Wiimote alone is just terrible and should have never been an option; Wiichuck takes significant getting used to; CC lacks durability and requires you to lug the Wiimote along with it; GCN has the optimal design without any of the hassle, and can last you years. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:52, 25 November 2012 (EST)
#Sooooooo much better. [[User:Shanderu|<font color="purple">'''Shan'''</font>]][[User talk:Shanderu|<font style="color:darkorange;">'''deru'''</font>]] [[File:MiniGhost.png|16px]]  18:10, 25 November 2012 (EST)
#Definitely prefer the GameCube controller, it's the most comfortable and effective controller for the SSB games. [[Special:Contributions/110.174.90.69|110.174.90.69]] 21:18, 25 November 2012 (EST)
#We're all Smash veterans here! [[Special:Contributions/86.132.129.34|86.132.129.34]] 03:14, 27 November 2012 (EST)
#...do I have to say anything? Ok then WHY DO I HAVE TO FIND MY WIIMOTE TO PLAY BRAWL?! <font style="font-family:arial narrow">[[User:LightningBlue|<font style="color:royalblue">'''Lightning'''</font>]][[User talk:LightningBlue|<font style="color:darkblue">'''Blue'''</font>]]</font>[[File:405MS.png|link=Special:Contributions/LightningBlue]] 23:23, 28 November 2012 (EST)
#Can be used with both Melee and Brawl.[[User:SuperBowser|SuperBowser]] ([[User talk:SuperBowser|talk]]) 05:20, 30 November 2012 (EST)
#Loved this awesome controller when I was playing ''Melee'', and I bought it '''specifically''' for ''Brawl'', as I don't have any [[Nintendo GameCube]] games. The Wiimote-alone and Wiimote+Nunchuk Attachment combination controllers are just ''weird''; I can't really do smashes and tilts as effectively on them (and it's a chore to taunt on Wiimote alone) , although I can somewhat hold my own even with the Wiimote-alone controller. Haven't tried Classic Controller; GCN Controller just feels right. A downright shame that the Wii U can't utilize it (as of now...), as well as that the Wiimote is required to start up ''Brawl''. [[Special:Contributions/72.3.33.7|72.3.33.7]] 18:08, 30 November 2012 (EST)
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#Without a doubt this controller! [[User:TheAwesomefroggy|TheAwesomefroggy]] ([[User talk:TheAwesomefroggy|talk]]) 15:25, 24 November 2012 (EST)
# Best controller yet and can play ALL 3 SMASH GAMES <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Reese22222|Reese22222]] ([[User talk:Reese22222|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Reese22222|contribs]]) 17:05, 30 November 2012 (EST)</small>
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===Comments===
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@Fugudev: I use my GameCube controller on my laptop too, it's indispensable for my LP'ing, when you consider how loud the keyboard would be when the microphone is inside the laptop, and I can also imagine that when I eventually get around to playing ''Super Smash Flash 2'' with this controller, it'll be ever so much more useful than the keys. I can't say I've ever heard of a port that lets you plug a Classic Controller into a computer, only Nintendo controllers at and predating GameCube, and those of the other consoles. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:00, 24 November 2012 (EST)

@Omega Tyrant: The standalone Wii remote was an option because I wanted to include all four controller schemes, and if I left out any one, people who use said controller would whine about it. <span style="font-family:AR DESTINE">[[User:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#1EA6D4">Air</span>]] [[User talk:Air Conditioner|<span style="color:#18C4C1">Conditioner</span>]]</span> [[File:AC.png|19px]] likes pie 12:56, 25 November 2012 (EST)
:I believe OT means the Wii Remote being a control scheme in the game altogether. I'm fine with it, some casuals want to be authentic, it just so happens the control scheme is poor. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 12:59, 25 November 2012 (EST)
::This is correct, but my brief reasoning why it shouldn't have been included; the controller is vastly inferior to the others (and cannot really handle Smash), and it causes a few people to spend their time getting used to a controller they can barely play the game with, while there was really no reason to include it as an option (Wiichuck is standard with the Wii and every Wii owner should have one, so making Wiimote useuable wasn't necessary for ensuring every Wii owner could play). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 01:13, 26 November 2012 (EST)

I just want to make it clear that Brawl is the only game where I have a problem with the Wiimote. But that's only because Smash attacks are harder on the Wii Remote. I konw this sounds unnecessary, but I don't want people thinking I'm one of those gamers who can't play any game unless the controller is absolutely normal. [[User:Nintendosega75|Nintendosega75]] ([[User talk:Nintendosega75|talk]]) 16:34, 26 November 2012 (EST)
:You can't play Brawl on the Wiimote not because it's not a "normal controller", but the for the fact the controller is completely unable to properly handle a game like Brawl. And who cares if you prefer to not limit yourself and use "normal controllers"? Being able to control the game properly is the most important aspect to any game. As for Supersmash4, look at his talkpage. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:40, 27 November 2012 (EST)

@LightningBlue Because you can't load the game without it. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 04:36, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Neat, four-way fight. :D I wonder how many future matches will take advantage of the increased number of combatant spots...? [[Special:Contributions/72.3.33.7|72.3.33.7]] 18:08, 30 November 2012 (EST)
:Very, ''very'' few. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:10, 30 November 2012 (EST)
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