Editing Forum:Categorizing Special Moves

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For a while (probably ever since this Wiki's been around), many have argued upon how the special moves the playable characters should be categorized in pages. Some say to to do it by mechanics of the move or their users, others (like myself) say it should be by the name of the move.

3. If a move used by a character in a previous game has had a name change but otherwise works the exact same, then it will stay merged with the original move.

:* If a move on an echo is named differently but acts the exact same then it is also stayed merged. (See [[Daisy Blossom]])

:::::'''Animations''' only change how something moves. In fact, that is how "[[Clone|Clones]]" are currently [https://www.ssbwiki.com/File:DrMarioAerialAttacksSSBM.png being] [https://www.ssbwiki.com/File:MarioAerialAttacksSSBM.png defined] on SmashWiki. Ganondorf is considered a clone because his animations are the same, if not similar, to Captain Falcon’s. The reason why we do not group their special moves together regardless of their similarity is because they come from two different series, being ''Zelda'' and ''F-Zero''. Similarly, [[Kat & Ana]] and [[Latias and Latios]] are basically the same assist but from different items ([[Assist Trophy]] and [[Poke Ball]]). The main difference is that Latias and Latios’ animation has them attack individually instead of simultaneously like Kat & Ana’s animation. Same goes for a few Poke Ball Pokemon, like [[Chikorita]] and [[Snivy]] using [[Razor Leaf]], or [[Piplup]] and [[Oshawott]] using [[Surf]]. Same move with different visuals and animations.

::::::Yes, those are all good examples of the same moves with different animations. The moves you are arguing to merge, like Luigi’s Fireball, Wolf’s Blaster, or Super Jump Punch, are not those cases. They also have different framerates, different damage, and different properties. Luigi’s Fireball floats, Wolf’s Blaster doubles as a Melee and stuns, and all three Super Jump Punches do radically different things. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 12:10, May 15, 2019 (EDT)

:::::When I said techs, I wasn’t referring to their blasters also being used in their throws. I was referring to the huge differences in function. Not only that, but you’re misunderstanding what counts as an ability. Something that gives out extra moves, gives a meter, or a passive ability qualify for that page. Not using projectiles for your throws. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 12:10, May 15, 2019 (EDT)

:::::With all that being said, I believe that '''separating the moves by name''' makes the most sense with making it easier for most people. With a move that has the same name that has multiple users, like "Blaster", should be on the same page. Someone could get confused on how to find differences between the users if they did not know if they were on different pages. With a move like "Daisy Bomber", where it does not have any differences from "Peach Bomber" despite having a different name, the page should be changed to incorporate both moves into the whole page and not just one section. A move used by multiple characters tend to specify like this: ''“Thunder Jolt (でんげき, Electric Shock) is Pikachu and Pichu's neutral special move”''. However, Peach Bomber only mentions Peach. Someone may get confused while looking for information for Daisy if they did not know Peach Bomber applied to both characters. It should then say: ''Peach Bomber (ピーチボンバー, Peach Bomber) and Daisy Bomber (デイジーボンバー, Daisy Bomber) are Peach and Daisy’s side special move'', or ''Peach Bomber (ピーチボンバー, Peach Bomber), and Daisy Bomber (デイジーボンバー, Daisy Bomber), is Peach’s, and Daisy’s, side special move''. (Preferably the first one) Moves like with different names, like [[Electroshock Arm]], that have mechanics that differ from its based move, [[Upperdash Arm]], even if only slightly, gives it enough to be its own page. Because it has different mechanics under a different name (Electroshock Arm attacking at a 30-40˚ angle and 1% more damage in comparison to Upperdash Arm), it probably does not need to be compared to former. Like with Ganondorf and Captain Falcon, a move is separated by series even if shared by character from two different series. Like Pikachu and Pichu's [[Thunder (Pokémon)|Thunder]] and Robin's [[Thunder (Pokémon)|Thunder]] being separated. I believe it makes finding the moves easier for people to locate moves if we separate them by their names, with the few exception/examples I explained. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 03:52, May 15, 2019 (EDT)

:::Well, I'm specifically talking about the animation of the model and not any accompanying particle effects. I'm thinking it over in my head, and most moves people would want to merge use the same core animation. The only exceptions I can think of are Dark Samus' Missiles (which is a minor change that most people wouldn't notice, and it still fulfills the other two criteria anyway), and Isabelle's version of Balloon Trip (where it's kind of common sense to differ in the "animation" regard). [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 18:37, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

::::Wouldn't that still fall under "Function"? [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 18:42, June 25, 2019 (EDT)