Talk:Clone characters

Why Lucas is a clone of Ness

lucas is a clone of ness because ness has been in the series longer and is a vetran while lucas in a newcomer... Alexbarker116 05:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ness and Lucas-- who's the semi-clone of whom?

the article claims ness is a partial clone of lucas i want to know why people beleive this so before i go ahead and change it... Alexbarker116 06:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It should definitely be the other way, if not removed for being contentious. --Sky (t | c | w)

I wasn't gonna change it myself, since someone seemed to have a plan for that, but IMO clones are in order of creation, not in order of revealing. I don't know what that meant by "clones according to brawl" or whatever. How do you clone something before the "original" exists? - Gargomon251 09:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The reason they were ordered the other way around was because in Brawl, Marth and Ness aren't the primary characters anymore. They were replaced by Ike and Lucas, and were only re-included as their bonus Luigified clones. Just because they were introduced in an other game doesn't make them the originals in this one. I mean, we don't consider Fox to be a clone of Falco in Melee, even though Falco's moveset was the original one in SSB, do we? Plus, according to the page's own definition only unlockables were to be considered clones. Nevertheless, if anyone decides to change it I'm not going to bother changing it back if so many people are that adamant on it being the other way around.--Bman87301 14:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Marth was never a primary character and Ness was only primary in melee, therefore it shouldn't be any other way. A clone is the character that came second to the origional. Alexbarker116 20:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

So would you also say that Fox in Melee should be considered Falco's clone since Falco's moveset was introduced on Fox first in SSB? Because really the only difference is the change of identity. Ike and Lucas are the headliners, and unlike Falco, are the main character's of their games to boot. And yes, Marth was the primary character in Brawl since Roy is considered his clone-- that makes Roy secondary. Look at it this way, Falco was the clone because his character was a lesser representative than Fox (who was the headliner). In Brawl, Marth and Ness are the lesser representatives and they have to be unlocked, doesn't that make them a little more like Falco and Roy who were considered the clones? --Bman87301 22:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Clones are defined by moveset. Falco was a clone because his moveset was based off of Fox's. So Lucas, if anything, iks a semi-clone of Ness simply because Ness had those attacks first. It has nothing to do with who appears first in the individual game. Gargomon251 22:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Luigi as a clone in SSB

Also make sure people stop taking luigi (ssb64) off there, he was 110% a clone initially. - Gargomon251 09:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Luigi didn't fit the definition-- he had at least one (though I'm pretty sure there are more) different normal move, thus disqualifying him. I don't know how you can consider it being 110% when he doesn't fully fit the criteria (do the math, that's only 90% at best).--Bman87301 15:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What defines a clone again? In SSBM, Ganondorf had two or three unique moves, and he was still considered a clone... How does changing a single attack make any difference? Even Roy and Marth were more different than Mario and Luigi were in the original Smash.Gargomon251 22:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Voting on Luigi as a clone's removal

After thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion we should take a vote on this to decide whether or not Luigi's SSB clone listing should stay or go. I vote for it to go.--Bman87301 15:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It should go.--MegaMario9910

Stay. And I want to see more than 5 votes. Can we get a forum thread or something to give a more broad range of opinions? - Gargomon251 22:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)