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:It should definitely be the other way, if not removed for being contentious. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]])
:It should definitely be the other way, if not removed for being contentious. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]])


::I wasn't gonna change it myself, since someone seemed to have a plan for that, but IMO clones are in order of creation, not in order of revealing. I don't know what that meant by "clones according to brawl" or whatever. How do you clone something before the "original" exists? Also make sure people stop taking luigi (ssb64) off there, he was 110% a clone initially. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 09:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::I wasn't gonna change it myself, since someone seemed to have a plan for that, but IMO clones are in order of creation, not in order of revealing. I don't know what that meant by "clones according to brawl" or whatever. How do you clone something before the "original" exists?


::: The reason they were ordered the other way around was because in ''Brawl'', Marth and Ness aren't the primary characters any more. They were replaced by Ike and Lucas, and were only re-included as their bonus ''Luigified'' clones. Just  because they were introduced in an other game doesn't make them the originals in this one. I mean, we don't consider Fox to be a clone of Falco in Melee, even though Falco's moveset was the original one in SSB, do we? Plus, according to the page's own definition only unlockables were to be considered clones. Nevertheless I'm not going to bother changing it back since so many people seem so adamant on it being the other way around. As, for Luigi, he didn't fit the definition either-- he had at lest one different normal move, thus disqualifying him. I don't know how you can consider it being 110% when he doesn't fully fit the criteria (do the math, that's only 90% at best).--[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 14:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::The reason they were ordered the other way around was because in ''Brawl'', Marth and Ness aren't the primary characters anymore. They were replaced by Ike and Lucas, and were only re-included as their bonus ''Luigified'' clones. Just  because they were introduced in an other game doesn't make them the originals in this one. I mean, we don't consider Fox to be a clone of Falco in Melee, even though Falco's moveset was the original one in SSB, do we? Plus, according to the page's own definition only unlockables were to be considered clones. Nevertheless, if anyone decides to change it I'm not going to bother changing it back if so many people are that adamant on it being the other way around.--[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 14:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 
Also make sure people stop taking luigi (ssb64) off there, he was 110% a clone initially. - [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] 09:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:Luigi didn't fit the definition-- he had at least one (though I'm pretty sure there are more) different normal move, thus disqualifying him. I don't know how you can consider it being 110% when he doesn't fully fit the criteria (do the math, that's only 90% at best).--[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 15:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::After thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion we should take a vote on this to decide whether or not Luigi's SSB clone listing should stay or go. I vote for it to go.--[[User:Bman87301|Bman87301]] 15:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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lucas is a clone of ness because ness has been in the series longer and is a vetran while lucas in a newcomer... Alexbarker116 05:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

No he's not, no more than Luigi is. Their movesets are, for the most part, totally different. Gargomon251 05:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

the article claims ness is a partial clone of lucas i want to know why people beleive this so before i go ahead and change it... Alexbarker116 06:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It should definitely be the other way, if not removed for being contentious. --Sky (t | c | w)
I wasn't gonna change it myself, since someone seemed to have a plan for that, but IMO clones are in order of creation, not in order of revealing. I don't know what that meant by "clones according to brawl" or whatever. How do you clone something before the "original" exists?
The reason they were ordered the other way around was because in Brawl, Marth and Ness aren't the primary characters anymore. They were replaced by Ike and Lucas, and were only re-included as their bonus Luigified clones. Just because they were introduced in an other game doesn't make them the originals in this one. I mean, we don't consider Fox to be a clone of Falco in Melee, even though Falco's moveset was the original one in SSB, do we? Plus, according to the page's own definition only unlockables were to be considered clones. Nevertheless, if anyone decides to change it I'm not going to bother changing it back if so many people are that adamant on it being the other way around.--Bman87301 14:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Also make sure people stop taking luigi (ssb64) off there, he was 110% a clone initially. - Gargomon251 09:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Luigi didn't fit the definition-- he had at least one (though I'm pretty sure there are more) different normal move, thus disqualifying him. I don't know how you can consider it being 110% when he doesn't fully fit the criteria (do the math, that's only 90% at best).--Bman87301 15:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
After thinking about it, I've come to the conclusion we should take a vote on this to decide whether or not Luigi's SSB clone listing should stay or go. I vote for it to go.--Bman87301 15:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)