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==Talk pages== | ==Talk pages== | ||
Every article on | Every article on SmashWiki has a corresponding talk page, and are linked by the "discussion" tab. Talk pages are pages used to discuss matters pertaining to the content of the corresponding article, such as asking about the verification of some information in the article, or if a section marked for cleanup should have the cleanup tag removed. | ||
==Proper usage== | ==Proper usage== | ||
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I think this article should be kept, as its subject is indeed notable to the Smash community because... <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> </font></blockquote> | I think this article should be kept, as its subject is indeed notable to the Smash community because... <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> </font></blockquote> | ||
Obviously, discussion of an article's potential deletion/move/merge/split should be done on its talk page. | Obviously, discussion of an article's potential deletion/move/merge/split should be done on its talk page. However, when discussing such, it's advisable you post beyond "I support/oppose this" and/or parroting what another user said, especially if the proposed action is contentious; such posts will be typically ignored when deciding to go through with the action or not, as any proposal on the wiki is not determined by sheer "vote count". | ||
===Discussing erroneous tagging=== | ===Discussing erroneous tagging=== | ||
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===Discussing conflicting edits=== | ===Discussing conflicting edits=== | ||
{{main|SmashWiki: | {{main|SmashWiki:Edit warring}} | ||
<blockquote><font face="Courier New"><nowiki>==Ness' down tilt==</nowiki><br/> | <blockquote><font face="Courier New"><nowiki>==Ness' down tilt==</nowiki><br/> | ||
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===Repetition=== | ===Repetition=== | ||
If what you have to discuss has been discussed to resolution before, and you got nothing new to add or nothing happened since the discussion's resolution to make it outdated/irrelevant, do not bring the old discussion back up. | If what you have to discuss has been discussed to resolution before, and you've got nothing new to add or nothing happened since the discussion's resolution to make it outdated/irrelevant, do not bring the old discussion back up. | ||
===Arguing tier placements and matchups=== | ===Arguing tier placements and matchups=== | ||
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The tier list on here is wrong, this is what the true tier list is... <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> </font></blockquote> | The tier list on here is wrong, this is what the true tier list is... <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> </font></blockquote> | ||
Do not try arguing tier placements and the listed matchups on the wiki; SmashWiki does not decide the tier list nor matchups, we report what | Do not try arguing tier placements and the listed matchups on the wiki; SmashWiki does not decide the tier list nor matchups, we report what each game's most authoritative source decides. Arguing tier placements and matchups on here is a waste of your time. If you feel that strongly our chosen source is wrong, argue it on [http://www.smashboards.com/ Smashboards] or [https://twitter.com Twitter] or anywhere else, not here. | ||
===Complaining about an article's content=== | ===Complaining about an article's content=== | ||
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Why is there so little information?! Why instead of information on how Toon Link can get KOs is the article telling us how Toon Link's hair moves with the wind?! <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> </font></blockquote> | Why is there so little information?! Why instead of information on how Toon Link can get KOs is the article telling us how Toon Link's hair moves with the wind?! <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> </font></blockquote> | ||
Do not use talk pages to complain about issues you have with an article's quality. SmashWiki is a collaborative project worked purely on a voluntary basis that anyone can help with, and it takes a significant amount of time to complete it; [[SmashWiki is not complete]] | Do not use talk pages only to complain about issues you have with an article's quality. SmashWiki is a collaborative project worked purely on a voluntary basis that anyone can help with, and it takes a significant amount of time to complete it; [[SmashWiki is not complete]] after all, there will be information the Wiki should have but doesn't at the moment. As such, if there are any issues you have with an article's content, don't just complain to the wiki about it. Such complaining does nothing to improve the article, and will probably only annoy other users who are already likely aware of any problems the article may have. Instead, help us and make such improvements to the article yourself; anyone can edit the wiki, including you. Or, if you're incapable of making such improvements for whatever reason (such as the page being [[SW:PROTECT|protected]]), at least politely point out on the talk page what you think the article specifically needs. | ||
==User talk pages== | ==User talk pages== | ||
{{shortcut|[[SW:UTPG]]}} | {{shortcut|[[SW:UTPG]]}} | ||
User talk pages are talk pages that are used to contact users on | User talk pages are talk pages that are used to contact users on SmashWiki. It should be noted, however, that a SmashWiki account is not an email account, Facebook page, or in any way primarily a social networking utility. As such, extended conversations that are not associated with the wiki should not be held on user talk pages. The '''primary''' use of a talk page is to contact a user about their contributions to the wiki. | ||
For example: | For example: | ||
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Any replies to an existing message are to be answered '''on the page that the conversation began on.''' The alternative, to always answer on the other user's talk page, is unwanted for multiple reasons: it makes conversations difficult to follow, it requires loading two pages to read the whole passage, and it makes it extremely difficult for other users to participate in the discussion. As such, after you write on someone's talk page, be sure to check back regularly, add the page to your watchlist, or watch the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] to see a response. | Any replies to an existing message are to be answered '''on the page that the conversation began on.''' The alternative, to always answer on the other user's talk page, is unwanted for multiple reasons: it makes conversations difficult to follow, it requires loading two pages to read the whole passage, and it makes it extremely difficult for other users to participate in the discussion. As such, after you write on someone's talk page, be sure to check back regularly, add the page to your watchlist, or watch the [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] to see a response. | ||
Beyond conversations about edits to the wiki, minor outside conversations are perfectly acceptable. However, do not extend these into being chat rooms, message boards, and/or | Beyond conversations about edits to the wiki, minor outside conversations are perfectly acceptable. However, do not extend these into being chat rooms, message boards, and/or email accounts. All edits show up on recent changes, and continuous messaging floods the changes and makes it difficult to spot other edits. If you feel that you would like to continue a conversation with someone, find a way to communicate with them outside the wiki or on [[SW:DISCORD|Discord]]. For example: | ||
<blockquote><font face="Courier New"><nowiki>== | <blockquote><font face="Courier New"><nowiki>==Quickplay?==</nowiki><br /> | ||
Hey, you seem like a pretty good player; do you want to play sometime? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> | Hey, you seem like a pretty good player; do you want to play sometime? <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> | ||
:Sure, | :Sure, email me at its-a-me@mushroomkingdom.ntd. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> | ||
</font></blockquote> | </font></blockquote> | ||
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*Never post in a talk page archive. If you have something new to add to an archived discussion, start a new discussion about it on the talk page. | *Never post in a talk page archive. If you have something new to add to an archived discussion, start a new discussion about it on the talk page. | ||
*Similar to the above, do not directly reply to an old comment, and even if the discussion isn't archived, do not comment on old discussions that have been resolved, unless you have something new to add. As a general rule, if the last comment in a discussion is over a month old, and the discussion appears to have been resolved, do not post a comment in it. | *Similar to the above, do not directly reply to an old comment, and even if the discussion isn't archived, do not comment on old discussions that have been resolved, unless you have something new to add. As a general rule, if the last comment in a discussion is over a month old, and the discussion appears to have been resolved, do not post a comment in it. | ||
*Some talk pages and forums have specific posting rules, such as [[SW:RFA|Requests for adminship | *Some talk pages and forums have specific posting rules, such as [[SW:RFA|Requests for adminship]]. When posting on these pages, abide to their posting rules. | ||
*All talk page posts must adhere to SmashWiki's policies, such as [[SmashWiki:No personal attacks]]. | *All talk page posts must adhere to SmashWiki's policies, such as [[SmashWiki:No personal attacks]]. | ||
==Editing and removing comments== | ==Editing and removing comments== | ||
===Editing and removing your comments=== | ===Editing and removing your comments=== | ||
For the most part, editing talk page comments after they been posted is discouraged and typically not allowed. There are some exceptions when it comes to editing your comments however: | For the most part, editing talk page comments after they been posted is discouraged and typically not allowed. There are some exceptions when it comes to editing your comments, however: | ||
*Fixing spelling and grammar errors in your post. | *Fixing spelling and grammar errors in your post. | ||
* | *Adding a signature if you forgot to sign. This should be done within a reasonable time frame, and without disrupting a conversation. | ||
*Moving your comment and its replies to a more appropriate place. | *Moving your comment and its replies to a more appropriate place. | ||
*Adding information you intended, but forgot to add to your initial post, though it is recommended you add this information in a second post. If you are to add missing information to your original post however, do so immediately, and before another user responds to your comment. | *Adding information you intended, but forgot to add to your initial post, though it is recommended you add this information in a second post. If you are to add missing information to your original post, however, do so immediately, and before another user responds to your comment. | ||
When it comes to removing your talk page comments, you are to never delete them. The only possible exception to this is when you post something you think is not needed (such as if you're asking a question that you | When it comes to removing your talk page comments, you are to never delete them. The only possible exception to this is when you post something you think is not needed (such as if you're asking a question that you noticed has been already answered on the talk page), and remove it immediately before another user responds to it. | ||
However, if you made a statement or said anything you wish to retract, you may add strike tags <nowiki><s></s></nowiki> to the offending portion of the comment to signify this. | However, if you made a statement or said anything you wish to retract, you may add strike tags <nowiki><s></s></nowiki> to the offending portion of the comment to signify this. | ||
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*Removal for archiving purposes (see following section). | *Removal for archiving purposes (see following section). | ||
*Removal to move the post to a more appropriate talk page. When moving comments to another talk page, mark the move using the {{tl|moved}} template in both the source and destination pages. | *Removal to move the post to a more appropriate talk page. When moving comments to another talk page, mark the move using the {{tl|moved}} template in both the source and destination pages. | ||
*Removing | *Removing user page-like content from an IP's talk page, or in the case of administrators, deleting a talk page that is deemed to not be needed (such as the talk page of a deleted article, or the talk page of a vandal/spam account). In the case of user page-like content on a user's talk page, it should instead be moved to their user page. | ||
If part of a post is removed, a replacement note detailing what was removed should be inserted (such as <link to shock site removed>). However, if a comment was removed in its entirety due to the above exceptions, there is no need to insert a replacement note, unless the removed comment had received a reply, in which case replacement notes such as <spam removed> or <vandalism removed> should be inserted. | If part of a post is removed, a replacement note detailing what was removed should be inserted (such as <link to shock site removed>). However, if a comment was removed in its entirety due to the above exceptions, there is no need to insert a replacement note, unless the removed comment had received a reply, in which case replacement notes such as <spam removed> or <vandalism removed> should be inserted. | ||