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its just stupid...

ok i am just wondering y everyone has such a big problem changing from melee to brawl?... i am constantly hearing about people who REFUSE to play brawl with anything except for the gamecube controller, and i think that is stupid! i have played ssb since the original for the N64 and i made the transition from a controller with three handles on the N64 and ssb, to the one with two handles on the GC and ssbm and i have managed to make the transition to the one handled (notice a pattern? lol) wii remote for ssbb, i mean come on! stop throwing a fit because things got changed! its called SUPER SMASH BROS. BRAWL, NOT SUPER SMASH BROS. MELEE 1.5!!!! sure some of the nerfs sucked (trust me i know my main is samus, so i got some of the worst nerfs) but that doesnt make the nerfed chars. not playable, does it? i still do just fine with samus. they are still the same controls you just hold the controller differently. you still use B for special and A for smashes and tilts. and everyone mostly still has their characters, and if you dont they got replaced by someone similiar enough that you can use basically the same fighting style ex. mewtwo-lucario, young link-toon link. im sorry but people who complain about using wii remotes, or a couple nerfs on their main need to stop crying and GET OVER IT!-Ssnake ssamus 03:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I personally haven't converted because there's less buttons, not because of the shape or the number of handles. With more buttons, I have more precise functionality at my fingertips. Btw, please be nicer with your comments in the future. =) --Sky (t · c · w) 04:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I just have trouble associating Specials with my right index finger. and it's too hard to remember/perform the various taunts and moves on the "extra" buttons. - Gargomon251 15:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

ok... i play with the wii remote and the nunchuk and i see no crucial differences. the jump is still up on the control stick or you can program another button to be jump if you want, there is still b and a and all of the variations of the moves there is still the sheild button in basically the same spot the z button has been replaced with the d-pad to throw items and grab the d-pad has been replaced with the 1 and 2 buttons for taunts start has been replaced with the plus button. the only thing that doesnt have the same purpose or a replacement is the c stick which has been converted into a button. so i still have the same functionality as i did because i never used the c stick for my smash attacks, and i dont think it is that much harder to press an extra button while holding the joystick. and as for gargomon, i am sorry for being mean but, you are either a slow learner or REALLY stubborn because it took me a total of ten minutes to get used to the new button placement, like i said sorry. and does it really matter whether you perform the exact taunt you want when you do a taunt? taunts dont have any affect on the actual gameplay except maybe making the other player mad and leaving you wide open for attack.--Ssnake ssamus 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

one of the reasons I don't use the gamecube or classic controller is because I never really liked hitting up on the control stick to jump. but that is just my preference. everyone has their own preferences, and they're all different. you like to use the wiimote and nunchuck, others like just the wii remote, some like classic controller, and some like to stay in their comfort zone with the gamecube controller. plus, I'm just not as good with the other controls, and I'm sure other people are the same way. PeetzaLink 20:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You see no crucial difference? For one, SHFFLing, while removed in SSBB (in that you no longer need to L-cancel), is still a large part of the play, and the C-stick is crucial to performing certain attacks in the air, such as the slower characters: Roy (in SSBM) or Ike in SSBB. Also, the C-stick requires much less precision to make a Smash work: I hit a direction. Control-stick + A to me is more for Tilt attacks, which require a much finer usage of the Control-stick. I would rather practice tilts with Control than smashes with control.

The taunt: Yes, they actually do have an effect on the game. While I haven't played Brawl enough to know about all the taunts, in SSBM Luigi's taunt was a Meteor smash. Now, I imagine that one or two of the taunts in SSBB also has that potential, and so being able to taunt in all directions is, again, worthwhile to me, if not Garg.

Furthermore, I've never jumped using the control stick. Again, not enough precision. Short hops come much easier with the Gamecube pad (ie, x/y) then they ever have with the stick.

It just seems that the extra buttons the Gamecube pad provide allow for more refinement than that you seek. Maybe I'm wrong in this; I haven't tried the Wii version, but then, I have no inclination to do so. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I have played all controls except CC and I prefer the gamecube remote.Jman97 22:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC) the j

1. i wonder if everyone bellyached this much when they were FORCED to switch to the gc controller, i dont think they should have made brawl playable with the gc controller in brawl, but throughout this whole conversation my main point has been this: everyone is too stuck in the past, you want it to be more like melee than it really is and you are afraid of change 2.peetzalink, and everyone actually, you can customize controls. you can set the jump to other buttons also such as c or whatever you want so its not like you are forced to use the default controls that they set for you at the beginning 3.ok to someone who didnt sign their post... so you think that using luigis taunt (and others) is that important to gameplay? dont you think there are other meteor smashes luigi can use that arent as hard to perform? 4.that... annoys me. idk how many other people on here are like this but have you ever heard the saying "dont knock it til you try it?" well dont tell me how bad the wii remote is for gameplay until you have tried it more than a few times over at your freinds house who has brawl. because, it takes a while to get used to ,sure, but do you jump in a pool and say "brr, its cold in here!" then jump out and go home? complaining the whole time?

oh, and as a last side note, to unsigned user, you still have a c-stick similiar control and it is the only motion based control in the whole game, if you flick the wii remote in a certain direction it will perform that directions smash, just like the c-stick, which brings me to my last question of this post, if ssbb had used motion controls for alot of gameplay instead of that small peice, can you imagine how much people like you would have complained and had total meltdowns over this? if you have this many problems with the changes they already made are causing you to do this imagine what that would have done.--Ssnake ssamus 23:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

1. You know, if we were actually bellyaching, you'd know about it. I merely answered the thread because I thought it interested. Don't presume that we're answering you because we're feeling bitchy. And no, I don't want it to be like Melee, nor have I said as much. I have said the controls are different. That's it. You know what they say about assumeing?
2. Yes, I know, but I haven't had the time to experiment with it.
3. I said that there are taunts that can be used. I didn't say they were important to gameplay. Refer to point #1.
4. Nor have I knocked it. I have said simply that the controls on the Gamecube are more familiar than those of the Wii, and I have no intention of trying the Wii version for the time being. I actually do have Brawl, kthx. As for the pool, how apt: I swim three hours a day. Do you think I notice the temperature of the water anymore?
5. That I didn't know, however, I'm not sure that's an improvement over the C-stick or not, as it requires arm movement. If I had wanted to move my arms, I'd go swim... I actually think they could have done more for the Wii with regard to motion control, and I think I would be more into the Nunchucks if that were the case. As an example, have you seen the advertisements for WiiFit (sp?)? If that had been implemented for Brawl, I would have loved it.
6. On a closing note, you seem to be out to pick a fight with someone else, rather than a constructive discussion and/or argument, with the personal attacks you're flinging about. Have a care here. I suspect why you're here rather than at Smashboards might be because they banned you, for this same argumentative behavior. I wouldn't want to have to warn you, should you continue the behavior. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)