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+{{Proposal|failed|2=There is something to be said about establishing the standards for this parameter, but there is only opposition to removing it outright. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:55, May 10, 2023 (EDT)}}
 Hi, despite just making an account, I'm actually [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97&offset=&limit=500&target=68.4.176.97 a longtime editor] here.  [[User_talk:Omega_Tyrant#Question|I made an (admittedly faulty) question where the response was that cameos shouldn't count]], and [[User_talk:The_Jacketed_Terrapin#Should_rereleases_count_as_appearances?|asked another user if rereleases should count as "latest appearances"]], I decided to make a proposal based off of their responses, especially after the second one said. "I'll say that I would be in complete support of just axing the "Most recent non-Smash appearance" segment altogether, but I am certain the majority of users here would absolutely oppose the idea of that". I actually think this is a pretty decent idea based off of the [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Special:Contributions/157.242.208.253 edits I have made in the past few days]. There seems to be a surprisingly large amount of situations on whether to count something as a new appearance is questionable, in addition to the segment needing to be constantly updated, and I actually don't see a "latest appearance" section on Wikipedia. To give some examples:
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 '''Oppose''' - I am fine if it remains but I prefer if it's known what is allowed to be listed or not. [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 09:32, December 12, 2022 (EST)
+This is the [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Simon_Belmont&diff=1746279&oldid=1734921 3rd time] [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Simon_Belmont&diff=1750578&oldid=1748641 I've had to] [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Simon_Belmont&diff=1763166&oldid=1761584 removr Brawlhalla as Simon's latest appearance], because the way this wiki handles skins for other characters in terms of latest appearances has been inconsistent, and like I said many times before, this entire section is more trouble than it's worth keeping. Please, to all who opposed, reconsider, because keeping latest appearances up to date, consistent with each other, and even agreeing ehat counts as an "appearance", are all a gigantic pain in the ass. [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 17:16, February 26, 2023 (EST)
+Adding again, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Fighter&curid=425&diff=1778221&oldid=1778219 this type of trivia] is part of why I have a problem with not counting costumes as appearances, and if there's so much inconsistency in its agreements it should just be gone entirely. Regardless of the caveat of the Mario Maker costumes not being the actual characters, Lucas is still directly acknowledged in an international game with his exact likeness. It's kind of asinine to claim that he's never been acknowledged in a non-smash internationally released game, and the latest appearances definitely contributes to this type of stigma. [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 04:27, March 26, 2023 (EDT)
+:Where in that trivia point did it say Lucas was "never acknowledged"? Putting words into it that weren't there, it outright says the character himself never appeared. Also this forum is an irrelevant place to complain about that edit. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:48, March 26, 2023 (EDT)
+::I conveyed my statement very poorly, my bad. A better way I should have said it is that a trivia point that says the character himself hasn't appeared in a non-smash international game implies that Lucas also hasn't acknowledged in any such game either, despite the fact that only the former is true. I genuinely think it's bad trivia because it can create a false implication, even indirectly. Also, I'll try not to gripe too much in this proposal, but the specific reason why I even care so much about the latest appearance parameter is because it leads to trivia like this, and the specific trivia point you added is the specific one that bothers me the most about this parameter. It's absolutely relevant to this proposal, but I understand that I came off as griping right there. [[User:Unnamed anon|Unnamed anon]] ([[User talk:Unnamed anon|talk]]) 04:58, March 26, 2023 (EDT)
+:::For the last time, the Mario Maker "characters" is just [https://www.mariowiki.com/Costume_Mario Mario in a costume], not the actual character, end of. And no, it has nothing to do with "acknowledgement", it is very clear Lucas himself has not appeared in an international non-Smash game, stop making up implication that is not there. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:45, March 26, 2023 (EDT)
+Seeing how the idea of removing this infobox parameter has only gotten opposition and no real support in the six months it has been up, I am failing this proposal. Any discussion about establishing the "rules" for it can still take place however. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:55, May 10, 2023 (EDT)