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My personal opinion is that Pit and Metaknight should be near the top (fast, multihit attacks, multiple midair jumps, and the ability to glide). So should ROB (heavy, but great Up-B), and maybe Zero Suit Samus (fast, good recovery, incredible range, and the Paralyzer). Don't forget that Ike has the easiest-to-use Super Armor in the game, which, combined with Counter, can give him some great counterattack options.

Now, who should not be at the top?

...Feedback? Please? Runer5h 03:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC) Runer5h

Too early. Give it another few years, then come back and ask. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 03:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The thing is...SSBB is actually decently balanced. In my opinion, the only characters that suck are Bowser and Jigglypuff but that's just me, I usually just random.AzureDrake 04:38, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with AzureDrake. SSBB is really even, I haven't found many characters that overpower everyone else. The characters are all basically the same.--Richard 15:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... maybe it is too early to decide just yet. But, why not start now. (Plus, I won't remember in a few years to ask again. :P) And even though Brawl is decently balanced, AzureDrake, I don't think that tiers won't come... eventually.Runer5h 16:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

However, top tier candidates: The Star Fox characters, Toon Link, Lucario, Ice Climbers (?). Just my three cents contributed. AzureDrake 19:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Toon Link is cool. Anyone heard of the Quickdraw? It's sort of like the SHL, and Toon Link is good at it. Starfox should definitely be at the top (as always), and Lucario... maybe. His characteristics can make him a dangerous fighter. Ice Climbers are cool, and now they have a Stall-Then-Fall aerial, so I don't think that their tier ranking will change much. Snake should be up there too, because of his 6 projectiles (don't believe me? Count them: Up Smash, Down Smash, Neutral B, Side B, Down B, and Up B (after he lets go)), and his use of the C4 to regain his Cypher (I call this the Cy-four :P) Now, who should be at the bottom? That could be tough. Oh, and are all three of Pokemon Trainer's pokemon counted together? Runer5h 19:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Runer5h

The precedent for transforming characters has been to count them separately so I would say each pokemon should be counted separated despite the timer. Personally I think the differences between tiers will be much less dramatic than it was in Melee as there seem to have been a lot of time spent balancing the characters against each other. I will even hazard a guess that half or more of the characters may even be tournament viable.

Still, some low tiered characters would be Bowser, Yoshi, Ganondorf, and Jigglypuff (?) AzureDrake 04:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

How is Yoshi Low Tier? The boost he gets from the Egg Toss comes in handy. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 13:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I was really tired and wasn't thinking straight that time. Yoshi's fine. Sonic is actually pretty deadly if you know how to use his Specials correctly. AzureDrake 11:34, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Sonic. He lacks projectiles but his speed makes up for that. If not a high character, he should at least be in the middle. --Riko 11:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Ike, Meta Knight, and Pit should be high-tier. From what I witness, not that I use alot, but Snake & R.O.B should also be top tier. Just my thought. The list won't develope for years. Sukarai stated he wants Brawl to be "equally balanced." Zmario 12:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

No the characters in Brawl are too balanced even Bowser would be middle tier, as Nintendo isn't fond of tier lists because they make each character equal only to have some guys make one, its an annoyance to Nintendo who has to develop these characters, so making Bowser or Jigglypuff low tier makes Nintendo feel that they did a poor job of making these characters, so if there isn't a tier list, we have a better chance of them making Super Smash Bros 4 if they feel that we appreciate their characters more. This is not my opinion its just fact. Dark Overlord 15:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

O.O, =.= I see what you did there AzureDrake 15:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

God tier, meta knight,pit,ROB,ike in that order. Jman97 4/13/08 13:00 EDT

I think that Marth,Falco and Pit should be at top Darkspatan117 17:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

How About A General Consensus??

How about a collection of members of this wiki on their personal tier list? The overall tier list would be the averages of those ranks. Each member would be give a certain number of points, let say 70 for now. They would distribute those points throughout the rooster. If they feel that all the character are the same, they can place 2 points on everyone. While someone like Jman97 would probably, probably, make MetaKnight a 7, Pit 6.5, ROB 6, and Ike 5.5 with the rest of the rooster voted lower like varying 5's and lower. I believe in this system to keep in check, users must be willing to have their respective ballot public (likely stored on their namespace). This could also be an advantage, you guys could have Tier of the Month/Best Tier or something in that nature, where if the majority agrees that a user has a clever grasp on the subject, you know - posting reason why or why not a character can be considered Top. With this idea, you now have a General Consensus of the Tier List with a second opinion of the Tier List voted best by the community. Questioning Yours Truly -Question Jack 19:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

That is a damn good idea. And I would give a 7 to Olimar (my main). He's a bit weird, but he has great grab and smash range, and is incredibly versatile. Also, because he attacks with the Pikmin, if he is attacked at the same time, the Pikmin take damage, not him. Runer5h 18:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)Runer5h

I'll rank mine Out of 10 A lot of Top, High and Mid Tier Characters got nerfed. Bad. -Fox Sucks Nut now, He can't combo and his Uair can't kill. 7 -Falco too. His Side smash sucks and his blaster is slow and his reflector is GAY. 6.5 -Peach's D-smash sucks now and her turnips suck too. She really sucks. 5.5 -Shiek isn't strong, can't kill and has no combo ability. 6 -CF...OMFG sucks so bad now can't really combo and his moves are slower. 4 -Ice Climbers are really bad without wavedashing and are dead when they split up. 2

The only GOOD Character that wasn't totally nerfed is Marth. I'd say he's improved. He has better knockback, can still combo and has cooler hair. 9.5

2 people I've noticed are a lot better now are Luigi and Mr Game and Watch. They are stronger, and can combo like crazy. 8 and 8.5

Newcomers who impress me: -Toon Link. Crazy strong, crazy fast and good recovery (jumps are so high!) 9 -Sonic. Ditto and like 3 times faster than CF 9 -Pit. Recovery God 8 -Wolf. Powerhouse 8.5 -Lucas. Didn't expect this but wow 8.5 -R.O.B. PWNZ 9 Didy Kong isn't as great as he sounds. He can't really KO and most of his moves are weak. He's light and floaty and his recovery is mediocre. He's small but only as fast as Marth. 7.5

Olimar is really good at camping but he has one of the worst recoveries in the game. 7 Meta knight is Ok. Not too bad, not the best. 7.5 Ike and Link are too Slow!! 5.5 and 5.5 Srry, Left that one out.

That's basically is all I have to say.-SHOK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SHOK (talk • contribs) 00:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You really think so, Runer5h? I was really proud of the idea and hopefully it will be at least considered.

I think the character I would be afraid of in terms of strategy would be Diddy Kong. He has multiple abilities (Wall Cling, Wall Jump, Crawling). Interesting speed on the ground and in the air. Equipped with a projectile and mines. The mines, or Bananas, can be relocated and if the opponent nabs them you can always Dash Attack over one to pick them up

(this also applies to the ones your enemy places, too). His Monkey Flip, Side-B, has numerous possibilities, you can even turn it into a kick at the last second. Not only that, his Monkey Flip can spike in midair.  An pretty good recovery (potential to be long range and curved with understandable restrictions). Diddy's down tilt even has set knockback. Probably can be used for putting space between you and your opponent. You may even charge your gun during this. Awesome at that sliding Up-Smash. You also always thrown you Bananas while rolling forward. That's all I can think of for now.

So thanks for the input, Runer5h. Try to pass the word if you like.

Questioning Yours Truly Question Jack 03:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Final Smash

does final smashes affect the tiers??

Ok, first sign your comment. Secondly, items aren't usually allowed in tournaments. So no.--King Dedede Kirby 13:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts: I suppose one could be made. Ranking FSmashes can also be incorporated into my idea (explained above - under How About A General Consensus??)

Questioning Yours Truly Question Jack 14:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

i dont think a tier can be made for this game... the characters are all fairly well balanced and i keep hearing about jigglypuff and bowser being at the bottom they should at least be middle because bowser may be heavy and slow but his knockback and damage make up for it and jigglypuff may be light and weak but its air speed and capabilities make up for that.ssnake ssamus 12:01, 14 april 2008 (utc)