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==In ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''== | ==In ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''== | ||
''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' is perhaps the only ''Smash'' title with significant debate regarding its greatest player | ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' is perhaps the only ''Smash'' title with significant debate regarding its all time greatest player. | ||
Many ''Melee'' players, commentators, and supporters consider {{Sm|Armada}}, one of the game's "[[Five Gods]]," to be the greatest ''Melee'' player of all time, due to his consistent level of dominance over all other competitors during his prime. Among Armada's major accomplishments include first place finishes at some of the most prestigious ''Melee'' supermajors. He won {{Trn|EVO 2015}} and {{Trn|EVO 2017}}, won three {{Trn|GENESIS|series}} titles, two {{Trn|Apex}} titles, and four {{Trn|Smash Summit|series}}s in a row. | Many ''Melee'' players, commentators, and supporters consider {{Sm|Armada}}, one of the game's "[[Five Gods]]," to be the greatest ''Melee'' player of all time, due to his consistent level of dominance over all other competitors during his prime. Among Armada's major accomplishments include first place finishes at some of the most prestigious ''Melee'' supermajors. He won {{Trn|EVO 2015}} and {{Trn|EVO 2017}}, won three {{Trn|GENESIS|series}} titles, two {{Trn|Apex}} titles, and four {{Trn|Smash Summit|series}}s in a row. | ||
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Supporters of Armada also point to his unrivaled level of consistency as a competitor; unlike the other Gods, who were known for occasionally losing to lower-ranked players, Armada was known for almost never dropping a set to players below his skill level. From 2009 to 2018, he never placed below 5th at a major, and lost only three sets to players ranked below the top six: two best of three sets to {{Sm|SilentSpectre}} and {{Sm|Swedish Delight}} (the former of which was later found out to be inadvertently played under a 0.9 [[launch rate]]), and one best of five set to {{Sm|Amsah}}. Armada was known as a major roadblock in the path of many players' goals to achieve victory over all five of the Gods, including {{Sm|Axe}} and {{Sm|Wobbles}}. Armada achieved much of his dominance using almost entirely {{SSBM|Peach}}, a character considered less viable than other top tiers such as {{SSBM|Fox}}, and also while hailing from Sweden, in a continent with far fewer major tournaments and far weaker competition than North America. | Supporters of Armada also point to his unrivaled level of consistency as a competitor; unlike the other Gods, who were known for occasionally losing to lower-ranked players, Armada was known for almost never dropping a set to players below his skill level. From 2009 to 2018, he never placed below 5th at a major, and lost only three sets to players ranked below the top six: two best of three sets to {{Sm|SilentSpectre}} and {{Sm|Swedish Delight}} (the former of which was later found out to be inadvertently played under a 0.9 [[launch rate]]), and one best of five set to {{Sm|Amsah}}. Armada was known as a major roadblock in the path of many players' goals to achieve victory over all five of the Gods, including {{Sm|Axe}} and {{Sm|Wobbles}}. Armada achieved much of his dominance using almost entirely {{SSBM|Peach}}, a character considered less viable than other top tiers such as {{SSBM|Fox}}, and also while hailing from Sweden, in a continent with far fewer major tournaments and far weaker competition than North America. | ||
A significant share of the ''Melee'' community, however, argues that {{Sm|Mango}} is the greatest ''Melee'' player of all time. His major accomplishments include first place finishes at {{Trn|EVO 2013}} and {{Trn|EVO 2014}}, matching Armada's record of EVO victories, along with wins at {{Trn|Pound 3}}, {{Trn|GENESIS}}, {{Trn|The Big House 4}}, and {{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}}. | A significant share of the ''Melee'' community, however, argues that {{Sm|Mango}}, another one of the "Five Gods", is the greatest ''Melee'' player of all time. His major accomplishments include first place finishes at {{Trn|EVO 2013}} and {{Trn|EVO 2014}}, matching Armada's record of EVO victories, along with wins at {{Trn|Pound 3}}, {{Trn|GENESIS}}, {{Trn|The Big House 4}}, and {{Trn|Get On My Level 2019}}. | ||
Mango was considered a top-ten player in 2007, and has since remained as a top five player from 2008 to the present, aside from a period in 2010-2011 he spent [[sandbagging]] as Scorpion Master. He was considered one of the two best players in the world in 2008, and the undisputed best player in the world from 2009-2010 and 2013-2014. He was ranked 1st on the 2013 and 2014 SSBMRank. | Mango was considered a top-ten player in 2007, and has since remained as a top five player from 2008 to the present, aside from a period in 2010-2011 he spent [[sandbagging]] as Scorpion Master. He was considered one of the two best players in the world in 2008, and the undisputed best player in the world from 2009-2010 and 2013-2014. He was ranked 1st on the 2013 and 2014 SSBMRank. | ||
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Smaller groups have also suggested {{Sm|Ken}}, {{Sm|Mew2King}}, and {{Sm|Hungrybox}} as possible outlier candidates. Ken, known today by his nickname "The King of Smash", is considered the undisputed best player of the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play|MLG era]] before ''Brawl''{{'}}s release, and was a candidate for best player in the world from 2004 to 2007. During his prime, Ken was considered the best player by a significant margin, winning nearly every event he entered, and dominated competitive ''Melee'' to a degree far greater than Armada or Mango did during their peaks. However, it is generally agreed that Ken's short longevity at the top diminishes his claim at the GOAT. It has been suggested that Ken competed in a less advanced era of ''Melee'', and that the overall level of competition has greatly improved since his retirement, as evidence by his failure to place top eight at majors during his return to ''Smash'' from 2013-2015. | Smaller groups have also suggested {{Sm|Ken}}, {{Sm|Mew2King}}, and {{Sm|Hungrybox}} as possible outlier candidates. Ken, known today by his nickname "The King of Smash", is considered the undisputed best player of the [[Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play|MLG era]] before ''Brawl''{{'}}s release, and was a candidate for best player in the world from 2004 to 2007. During his prime, Ken was considered the best player by a significant margin, winning nearly every event he entered, and dominated competitive ''Melee'' to a degree far greater than Armada or Mango did during their peaks. However, it is generally agreed that Ken's short longevity at the top diminishes his claim at the GOAT. It has been suggested that Ken competed in a less advanced era of ''Melee'', and that the overall level of competition has greatly improved since his retirement, as evidence by his failure to place top eight at majors during his return to ''Smash'' from 2013-2015. | ||
Mew2King has spent more time than any other player at the top of competition. He has been considered a top 6 player in the world for 13 years straight, longer than anyone else, from 2006 all the way to 2018, while arguably being top 10 in 2019. In 2007, Mew2King was widely considered the best Melee player in the world, being the only player that year to win more than one major tournament. Mew2King has also remained as a contender to win major tournaments in the following years, winning several major tournaments in 2013-2014, and 2016-2018, including {{Trn|The Big House 3}}, {{Trn|Shine 2016}}, and {{Trn|Smash Summit 6}}. | Mew2King has spent more time than any other player at the top of competition. He has been considered a top 6 player in the world for 13 years straight, longer than anyone else, from 2006 all the way to 2018, while arguably being top 10 in 2019. In 2007, Mew2King was widely considered the best ''Melee'' player in the world, being the only player that year to win more than one major tournament. Mew2King has also remained as a contender to win major tournaments in the following years, winning several major tournaments in 2013-2014, and 2016-2018, including {{Trn|The Big House 3}}, {{Trn|Shine 2016}}, and {{Trn|Smash Summit 6}}. He has largely been credited for advancing the Marth and Sheik metagame to where they are nowadays, being the best Marth player in the world from 2007-2013 and 2015-2018, and the best Sheik player from 2008-2017. However, Mew2King has since failed to replicate his success since 2007, as after getting challenged by Mango for the #1 spot in 2008, Mew2King has never been considered top 2 in the world since, peaking at #3 on the 2013 SSBMRank. He has also spent the shortest time out of everyone as the best player in the world, only from 2007 to arguably 2008. | ||
He has largely been credited for advancing the Marth and Sheik metagame to where they are nowadays, being the best Marth player in the world from 2007-2013 and 2015-2018, and the best Sheik player from 2008-2017. | |||
However, Mew2King has since failed to replicate his success since 2007, as after getting challenged by Mango for the #1 spot in 2008, Mew2King has never been considered top 2 in the world since, peaking at #3 on the 2013 | |||
Hungrybox has been considered a top-five player from 2009 until the present and was seen as the undisputed rank one from 2017 to 2019. Among his major titles is a victory at {{Trn|EVO 2016}}, the [[List of largest Smash tournaments|largest ''Melee'' tournament of all time]]. His {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} has been responsible for major developments in the ''Melee'' metagame; his dominance caused many to start seeing Jigglypuff as potentially the best character in the game, and many players, most notably Armada, developed secondary characters specifically in an attempt to counter him. However, Hungrybox's reign as a consistent first-place finisher has been relatively short compared to that of Mango or Armada, and his lowest level of play has also been below them; most notably from {{Trn|Apex 2010}} to {{Trn|Paragon Orlando 2015}}, he went nearly five years without placing 1st at a major title. It is often theorized that Hungrybox could become the greatest of all time if he continues to dominate the ''Melee'' scene after several more years of competition. | Hungrybox has been considered a top-five player from 2009 until the present and was seen as the undisputed rank one from 2017 to 2019. Among his major titles is a victory at {{Trn|EVO 2016}}, the [[List of largest Smash tournaments|largest ''Melee'' tournament of all time]]. His {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} has been responsible for major developments in the ''Melee'' metagame; his dominance caused many to start seeing Jigglypuff as potentially the best character in the game, and many players, most notably Armada, developed secondary characters specifically in an attempt to counter him. However, Hungrybox's reign as a consistent first-place finisher has been relatively short compared to that of Mango or Armada, and his lowest level of play has also been below them; most notably from {{Trn|Apex 2010}} to {{Trn|Paragon Orlando 2015}}, he went nearly five years without placing 1st at a major title. It is often theorized that Hungrybox could become the greatest of all time if he continues to dominate the ''Melee'' scene after several more years of competition. | ||
