Talk:Stage legality

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::Only the one that is allowed in tournament rulesets is allowed in tournament rulesets. Stages that are not allowed in tournament rulesets are banned. Nothing weird about that. The reason for tournament directors for banning "similar stages" is that you can't counterpick a stage that is more or less the same as a stage you already counterpicked. Also keep in mind that "This is a talk page. Remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) and follow the talk page policy." [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)

:::Won't that vary from one tournament from another ? The point of the page is to have kind of a common ground, otherwise, it will end up being a page with a different list for each event, won't it ? Anyway, I'm nowhere near being a competitive player, I was just using the page to make a ruleset for my 1v1 serious matches, and ended up completing it with the what seemed to be the most obvious to me. Now people who know better can finish the job by making small editions (I have no idea what the 4 tildes will do, but I will try right away) [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:39, 21 December 2018 (EST)

:::I have thought about it a bit since and I think there is a problem here : first, you told me that it's tournament ruleset and that's it, but if so, why some stage have a double status while only one tournament is referenced so far ? WarioWare is Banned/Starter, but the only tournament referenced is Smashadelphia, where WarioWare was a Starter, so where does the Banned part come from ? Also, due to the Stage Hazards Toggle, I think the page will end up having a problem : to keep the list short, tournament list will keep some viable stage out, and sooner or later, the list will probably end up mostly with stage that are either "varies" or "banned", and at this point, it will make the whole list useless (what's the informative value of "varies" ?). Shouldn't the people who work on this wiki start to think about a rule like "If the stage is a starter in at least X % of tournaments, then it's a starter, otherwise if it's a conterpick in at least Y % of the tournaments, then it's a counterpick, overwise it's banned" (and if two similar stages end up being both legal because of such a rule, you can still add a footnote "Those two stage a commonly considered legal but are never both allowed in the same tournament for they are too similar"). Just some input from a random user [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 05:12, 25 December 2018 (EST)

== Banned Battlefield/Omega Forms ==

While all BF/FD versions of stages are the same on a functional level, there will be a few that get banned for visual and readability problems. Fountain of Dreams has reflections on all forms so that's gonna cause framerate issues, especially in doubles and Ice Climbers matches. Should we have a list of stages banned in all forms too? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:56, 21 December 2018 (EST)

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 ::Only the one that is allowed in tournament rulesets is allowed in tournament rulesets. Stages that are not allowed in tournament rulesets are banned. Nothing weird about that. The reason for tournament directors for banning "similar stages" is that you can't counterpick a stage that is more or less the same as a stage you already counterpicked. Also keep in mind that "This is a talk page. Remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) and follow the talk page policy." [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:01, 21 December 2018 (EST)
 :::Won't that vary from one tournament from another ? The point of the page is to have kind of a common ground, otherwise, it will end up being a page with a different list for each event, won't it ? Anyway, I'm nowhere near being a competitive player, I was just using the page to make a ruleset for my 1v1 serious matches, and ended up completing it with the what seemed to be the most obvious to me. Now people who know better can finish the job by making small editions (I have no idea what the 4 tildes will do, but I will try right away) [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:39, 21 December 2018 (EST)
+:::I have thought about it a bit since and I think there is a problem here : first, you told me that it's tournament ruleset and that's it, but if so, why some stage have a double status while only one tournament is referenced so far ? WarioWare is Banned/Starter, but the only tournament referenced is Smashadelphia, where WarioWare was a Starter, so where does the Banned part come from ? Also, due to the Stage Hazards Toggle, I think the page will end up having a problem : to keep the list short, tournament list will keep some viable stage out, and sooner or later, the list will probably end up mostly with stage that are either "varies" or "banned", and at this point, it will make the whole list useless (what's the informative value of "varies" ?). Shouldn't the people who work on this wiki start to think about a rule like "If the stage is a starter in at least X % of tournaments, then it's a starter, otherwise if it's a conterpick in at least Y % of the tournaments, then it's a counterpick, overwise it's banned" (and if two similar stages end up being both legal because of such a rule, you can still add a footnote "Those two stage a commonly considered legal but are never both allowed in the same tournament for they are too similar"). Just some input from a random user [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 05:12, 25 December 2018 (EST)
 == Banned Battlefield/Omega Forms ==
 While all BF/FD versions of stages are the same on a functional level, there will be a few that get banned for visual and readability problems. Fountain of Dreams has reflections on all forms so that's gonna cause framerate issues, especially in doubles and Ice Climbers matches. Should we have a list of stages banned in all forms too? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 19:56, 21 December 2018 (EST)