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| | {{DISPLAYTITLE:🧥'''The <span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span> <span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>'''🐢}} |
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| | name = Turtle Lover | | | name = 🧥'''The <span style="color: blue;">Jacketed</span> <span style="color: green;">Terrapin</span>'''🐢 |
| | image = SuperSmashTurtlesHeader.png
| | | caption = {{#switch:{{LOCALMONTHNAME}}|March=[[File:JacketedTerrapinHeaderMarch.png|82x169px]]|#default=[[File:JacketedTerrapinHeader.png|82x169px]]}}<br>My sona. |
| | caption = Once I finally get good at art, then I can replace this ugly mofo. | |
| | mainssb4 = Bowser | |
| | 2ndmainssb4 = Pac-Man | |
| | otherssb4 = Villager | |
| | 2ndotherssb4 = Wii Fit Trainer | |
| | mainssbu = Incineroar
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| | country = USA
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| Hi! I'm known as Turtle Lover on most social media platforms, but I call myself SuperSmashTurtles here just for the heck of it. I've been an editor of this wiki since about mid-to-late 2015. I'm also on MarioWiki, Bulbapedia, and Nookipedia, although I'm a lot more active here than I am on any of those Wikis.
| | Hello! I call myself "'''The Jacketed Terrapin'''", but you can also call me any of the nicknames listed at the end of the "Name Origin" section. I've been an editor on this wiki since July 30th, 2015. |
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| ==Introduction== | | ==Name Origin== |
| | Before my current name, I used to be called "'''SuperSmashTurtles'''", but I have decided to drop that name altogether because I wanted a name that I felt would identify me better (I initially formatted it as "'''JacketedTerrapin'''" before settling with the current name). |
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| I've been an avid fan of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series ever since around 2006 or 2007 when I played ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''. I'll admit that, aside from {{uv|Mario}} and {{uv|Pokémon}}, I never even heard of any of the characters or series in the game (Nope, not even {{uv|Zelda}}).
| | While you can probably guess the reasoning for my turtle-themed name and avatar, the jacket in my sona's design is based on an O'Neill jacket I got for Christmas of 2016 (I believe). What really stood out about this jacket for me was that it was covered in faux fur on the inside, thus providing extra warmth whenever it was cold somewhere <s>and it was admittedly a very comfortable jacket to use as a pillow, too :P</s>. |
| As a youngling, I only known whatever was on Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, or Disney Channel/Toon Disney, and even when it came to video games, I mostly got shoddy licensed-based games for the Game Boy Advance or PlayStation 2.
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| However, due to my new interest for ''Melee'', I soon discovered this series called ''History Behind Super Smash Bros. Melee'', which dealt in teaching about the origins of certain aspects in the game, such as characters and their movesets, stages and elements within them, and items and how they worked.
| | Do note that the jacket has been simplified for my design, as the real-life jacket has thin stripes in its design as well as sporting the O'Neill logo. The jacket also isn't quite that shade of blue, but I thought it looked nicer. |
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| Because of it, I soon became a major Nintendo fan, and thanks to ''Melee'' and ''Brawl's'' tactic(?) of representing smaller or obscure series, it led me to become interested in anything Nintendo-published and considering if it has a chance to be acknowledged in a ''Smash'' or not.
| | As a side note, you can call me by a few shorter nicknames. Some preferred names are "'''Terrapin'''", "'''Terra'''", or "'''T.J.'''". |
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| ==My Sandboxes== | | ==My Sandboxes== |
| Here is a list of sandboxes that I have created. | | Here is a list of sandboxes that I have created. |
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| | ===Stat Tracking=== |
| *'''[[/Smash Bros. Universe Statistics|''Smash Bros.'' Universe Statistics]]''': A list of every universe represented in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series that orders them by what ''Smash'' game they debuted in, as well as some statistics and [[Chronicle]]-exclusive universes. | | *'''[[/Smash Bros. Universe Statistics|''Smash Bros.'' Universe Statistics]]''': A list of every universe represented in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series that orders them by what ''Smash'' game they debuted in, as well as some statistics and [[Chronicle]]-exclusive universes. |
| | *'''[[/List of Chronicle universes|List of Chronicle universes]]''': A list of universes that are only represented in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series via a listing on the [[Chronicle]] in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''. |
| | *'''[[/Universes by Representation|Universes by Representation]]''' |
| | *'''[[/Major characters by their debut role|Major characters by their debut role]]''': A list of roles every major character (fighters, summon characters, and enemies/bosses) had before their more major roles in the series. |
| | *'''[[/List of entities that skipped an installment|List of entities that skipped an installment]]''': A list of characters, certain objects, or certain alter-egos that make no appearance in certain ''Super Smash Bros.'' installments. |
| | *'''[[/Statistics|Statistics]]''': A list of statistics between several in-game scenarios, such as Event Matches, Spirit battles, Classic Mode routes, and Event Tourneys. |
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| | ===Just For Fun=== |
| | *'''[[/List of unrepresented universes|List of unrepresented universes]]''': A list of Nintendo IPs/franchises (or third-party franchises with Nintendo-published installments) that have yet to receive representation in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series (including a Chronicle listing). |
| | *'''[[/Third-Party Universe Catalog|Third-Party Universe Catalog]]''': Same idea as the above, but exclusively focused on third-party IPs/franchises. Any universe that follows the guidelines is free to be added by anyone. |
| | *'''[[/Chronicle|Chronicle]]''': A series of lists of games published by certain companies throughout several consoles (Nintendo or otherwise); some companies may have no representation in ''Smash''. Based on the [[Chronicle]] feature in ''Super Smash Bros. Brawl''. |
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| | ===Stuff that might be good as a mainspace page, might not be, idk=== |
| | *'''[[/List of characters who don't appear in-game|List of characters who don't appear in-game]]''': A list of characters who appear in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series, but do not have a gameplay-related role nor appear as a collectible of any kind. |
| | *'''[[/List of mentioned characters|List of mentioned characters]]''': A list of characters who don't make any appearance in a certain ''Smash'' installment, but have been mentioned at least once in said game. |
| | *'''[[/Super Smash Bros. 64 Official Character Poll|''Super Smash Bros. 64'' Official Character Poll]]''': A list of the Top 20 most requested characters according to a poll on the official Japanese website for the original ''Super Smash Bros.'', as well the extended list that includes the characters who received at least two votes. |
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| | ===Inconsistent North American release dates of games=== |
| | Didn't feel like this was worth making a userpage out of, but I still wanted to showcase these anyway. |
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| *'''[[/Major characters by their debut role|Major characters by their debut role]]''': A list of roles every major character (fighters, summon characters, and enemies/bosses) had before their more major roles in the series. | | A release date that is highlighted in <span style="color: blue;">blue</span> denotes it is most accurate to the date the interlinked wiki page of the game in question uses (only Wikis focused around a specific franchise will be accounted for). |
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| | *'''''{{iw|nookipedia|Animal Crossing: Wild World}}''''': |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">December 5, 2005</span> |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': November 2005 |
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| | *'''''{{iw|wikipedia|Balloon Fight}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': June 1986 |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': June 1986 |
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': April 15, 1986 |
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| | *'''''{{iw|mariowiki|Donkey Kong|game}}'' (NES version)''': |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">June 1986</span> |
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': September 9, 1988 |
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| | *'''''{{iw|mariowiki|Donkey Kong Classics}}''''': |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': October 1988 |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">September 1988</span> |
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| | *'''''{{iw|mariowiki|Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">December 1995</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">December 1995</span> |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': November 1995 |
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| | *'''''{{iw|fzerowiki|F-Zero X}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">October 1998</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': July 14, 1998 |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">October 1998</span> |
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| | *'''''{{iw|icaruspedia|Kid Icarus|game}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">July 1987</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">July 1987</span> |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': August 1987 |
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': August 21, 1987 |
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| | *'''''{{iw|wikirby|Kirby Super Star}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">September 1996</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">September 1996</span> |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': August 1996 |
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': August 26, 1996 |
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| | *'''''{{iw|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': July 1987 |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': July 1987 |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">August 1987</span> |
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">August 22, 1987</span> |
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| *'''[[/All spirits ordered by their first appearance in the Smash Bros. series|All spirits ordered by their first appearance in the ''Smash Bros.'' series]]''': Similar idea to the above sandbox, only this time it focuses on every spirit in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate''. | | *'''''{{iw|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">October 2000</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': September 8, 2000 |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">October 2000</span> |
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| *'''[[/List of entities that don't appear in Ultimate|List of entities that don't appear in ''Ultimate'']]''': A list of characters, certain objects, or certain alter-egos that make no appearance in ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' whatsoever. | | *'''''{{iw|zeldawiki|The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons}}'' and ''{{iw|zeldawiki|Oracle of Ages}}''''': |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': March 14, 2001 |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">May 2001</span> |
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| *'''[[/List of unrepresented universes|List of unrepresented universes]]''': A list of Nintendo IPs/franchises (or franchises with Nintendo-published installments) that have yet to receive representation outside of a Chronicle listing. | | *'''''{{iw|metroidwiki|Metroid|game}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': August 1989 |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': August 1986 |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">August 1987</span> |
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">August 21, 1987</span> |
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| *'''[[/Ideas of mine|Ideas of mine]]''': The title pretty much explains it. | | *'''''{{iw|lylatwiki|Star Fox 64}}''''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">June 1997</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">June 30, 1997</span> |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': July 1997 |
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| *'''[[/Statistics|Statistics]]''': A list of statistics between several in-game scenarios, such as Event Matches, Spirit battles, Classic Mode routes, and Event Tourneys. | | *'''''{{iw|wikipedia|Super Scope 6}}'' + [[Super Scope]]''': |
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': September 1992 (only refers to the Super Scope itself) |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': September 1992 (''Super Scope 6'') |
| | **'''Trophy (''SSB4'') date''': February 1992 (''Super Scope 6'') |
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| ==='''Drafts'''===
| | *'''''{{iw|mariowiki|Yoshi|game}}'' (NES version)''': |
| *'''[[/List of characters who don't appear in-game|List of characters who don't appear in-game]]''': A list of characters who appear in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series, but do not have a gameplay-related role nor appear as a collectible of any kind.
| | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">June 1992</span> |
| *'''[[/List of mentioned characters|List of mentioned characters]]''': A list of characters who don't make any appearance in a certain ''Smash'' installment, but have been mentioned atleast once in said game. | | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': May 28, 1992 |
| *'''[[/Fixing the Chronicle page|Fixing the Chronicle page]]''': A page solely focused on trying to clean-up the [[Chronicle]] page, such as splitting the regions and trying to make the order and game names be as accurate as possible to how they appear in-game in ''Brawl''.
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| ==Thoughts on ''Smash'' Newcomer Reveals==
| | *'''''{{iw|mariowiki|Yoshi's Story}}''''': |
| Here are my thoughts on certain newcomers during their reveals. I'm only gonna do the newcomers from ''Smash 4'' onwards since I was not familiar with almost any of the newcomers of the prior 3 games.
| | **'''Trophy (''Melee'') date''': <span style="color: blue;">March 1998</span> |
| | **'''Chronicle date''': February 20, 1998 |
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| ===''[[Smash 4]]'' Newcomers===
| | *'''''{{iw|zeldawiki|Zelda II: The Adventure of Link}}''''': |
| *[[Villager]]: I was actually spoiled by their inclusion before I saw the E3 2013 presentation because on YouTube I saw some video thumbnail that had male Villager on it, although I couldn't really tell if it was ''Smash 4''. Anyway, I didn't really think much of them at first, but I did grew to like them when I first played them in the ''Smash 3DS'' demo. <s>Also, pink-haired girl > No. 1 Shirt boy. FITE MEH Qò0óQ</s> | | **'''Chronicle date''': <span style="color: blue;">December 1988</span> |
| :Fun fact: Before they were revealed, I actually had this ''Happy Tree Friends''-styled {{uv|Animal Crossing}} fan-fic idea (despite never playing an ''Animal Crossing'' game at the time) where a male human villager was a psychotic serial killer, not too dissimilar to the "Killager" meme (although in my fic, he was possessed by a hostile spirit rather than naturally being one).
| | **'''Masterpiece (''SSB4'') date''': October 11, 1988 |
| *[[Mega Man]]: Despite never playing a single {{uv|Mega Man}} game, I did acknowledge his strong association with Nintendo and was satisfied when he did get included.
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| :Fun fact: I actually somehow thought his silhouette was Astro Boy for a second.
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| *[[Wii Fit Trainer]]: Like many others, I thought their inclusion was a joke when I first read about it. Needless to say, they became my favorite addition in the game solely because of how ridiculous of a choice they were.
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| *[[Rosalina]] & [[Luma]]: When she got revealed, I actually had no recollection of a Direct happening that day. Instead, I found her out via her reveal trailer being posted onto [[Miiverse]]. She was a character I never thought about appearing in ''Smash'', and she was definitely a pleasant surprise. | |
| *[[Little Mac]]: Ever since I first saw him in ''Brawl'' during his [[Assist Trophy]] days, I thought "Man! That guy would definitely fit into ''Smash''.". He's honestly the only "Assist-turned-fighter" I'm really satisfied with. Not much else to say, he's just a great addition, even if his reputation isn't exactly the best (but to be honest, I could care less about the competitive scene of ''Smash''). | |
| *[[Greninja]]: Now here's a character I was way more familiar with. When ''X & Y'' were first revealed, Froakie was instantly my favorite of the Kalos Starters, yet it seemed to be the least popular of the trio. I never understood why, since I found Chespin to be rather ugly and Fennekin to be forgettable (On the bright side, Chespin did get a whole lot better with its final evolution. Can't really say the same about Fennekin, though). While it still remained my favorite Starter of the trio even after the final evolutions got revealed, I never actually thought about it joining ''Smash''. Heck, I never thought they'd include a Starter Pokémon that wasn't from Gen 1, and Gen 6 didn't seem to have a "[[Lucario]]"-type character like Gen 5 did with [[Zoroark]], so I wasn't sure who they would pick. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised by its inclusion (and yes, I did think the silhouette was [[Mewtwo]] at first)
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| *[[Mii Fighter]]: To be honest, I don't really have much to say about these guys other than it was kinda surprising that they weren't playable a lot sooner. Although the addition of [[Mii Costume|costumes based on certain characters]] is a very neat addition, even if [[Sans|some]] [[Cuphead|of]] [[Vault Boy|them]] are overhyped as hell. <s>And no, I am NOT giving out my thoughts on the [[Sans]], [[Cuphead]], or [[Vault Boy]] costumes. It's either I give my thoughts on '''all''' of the Mii Costumes or '''none''' of them, and since there's way too many to list, that's gonna be a big '''''no''''' from me.</s>
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| *[[Palutena]]: Like Rosalina, this was a character I never really thought about for ''Smash''. Unlike Rosalina, I have actually seen other people suggest her to be playable. I was kinda indifferent towards the idea, since I had no idea what moveset they would give her. Come the E3 2014 presentation, and I was very satisfied with how they handled her. | |
| *[[Pac-Man]]: Surprisingly, this was a character where I've seen more people against the idea of him in ''Smash'' than people who support him, and I've never been able to figure out exactly why. My possible reasonings were: | |
| :1. Some people wanted a different character from [[Namco]] like [[Lloyd Irving]] from the {{uvm3|Tales}} series or KOS-MOS from the ''Xenosaga'' series, and had the mindset that no third-party company would have more than one character playable.
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| :2. Others feared that Namco would've required the ''Smash'' team to use his much-reviled ''Ghostly Adventures'' design.
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| :3. Another group only knew about his iconic "wedge-shaped" form and thought that would make a [[Wii Fit Trainer (SSB4)|"stupid addition"]].
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| :Regardless of the complaints, I was so happy that they chose Pac-Man as the Namco rep, and I was especially relieved that they went with his Classic look rather than any of his (honestly unappealing) designs since ''Pac-Man Party''. But my favorite part about him was how he didn't just bring [[Pac-Man (universe)|his own series]] with him, but [[List of minor third-party universes#Namco series|a whole bunch of other Namco properties]]. Overall, Pac-Man remains as my favorite third-party fighter in the entire ''Super Smash Bros.'' series.
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| *[[Robin]] and [[Lucina]]: When it was revealed that both Robin and Lucina would join the cast, but not Chrom, I was pretty confused and a little salty. I did eventually warm up a little to Robin, but I never forgave Lucina, especially since Chrom apparently got cut for being "another blue-haired swordsman in the lines of [[Marth]] and [[Ike]]". Like, doesn't Lucina still fit that criteria? If you're gonna argue that "she's female", [[Villager (SSB4)|there were]] [[Wii Fit Trainer (SSB4)|much better]] [[Rosalina & Luma (SSB4)|female fighter]] [[Palutena (SSB4)|additions in]] [[Robin (SSB4)|the game]]. I felt she was mostly included just to please her fans.
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| :Fun fact: Robin is the only avatar character outside of Mii games who I've made to look more like me and even named after myself. I usually try to avoid self-inserts in games and only use my real name if the avatar has no official name, though not always (Such as Selene in the Alolan {{uv|Pokémon}} games: I didn't name her Selene since it wasn't established as her common name by the fandom and I really didn't want to name her "Moon" or my real name, so I went with "Luna", a name I knew was related to the moon and is an actual name).
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| *[[Shulk]]: Believe it or not, I actually own all three games in the "Operation Rainfall trilogy" (which also includes {{uvm|The Last Story}} and {{uvm|Pandora's Tower}}). Despite this, {{uv|Xenoblade Chronicles}}'s the only one I've actually played so far. Like most fans of the game, I did want Shulk in, but assumed he wouldn't get a role higher than an Assist Trophy. It's a good thing I was actually interested enough in that Japan-only New Nintendo 3DS Direct to watch it and got caught off-guard when the ''Smash'' trailer for him was the first thing in said Direct. Unfortunately, he was the first character to be revealed after I discovered the infamous [[ESRB leak]], so his inclusion didn't actually come off as that much of a surprise.
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| *[[Dark Pit]]: Let's just say that my first impression of him being included wasn't exactly the kindest...
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| *[[Bowser Jr.]]: While I did think of the possibility of him being playable, I just assumed he would be a bland hybrid of [[Bowser]] and [[Squirtle]]. Come ''Smash 3DS''{{'}}s release, and I was very surprised that they gave him the mini version of the [[Koopa Clown Car]]. Not only that, but all of his alternate costumes are of the [[Koopalings]] rather than any simple texture recolors. Overall, I was glad with how he turned out.
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| *[[Duck Hunt]]: When I first saw this duo in the ESRB leak, I, like many other people, was baffled on how a character like that would even make it into ''Smash''. But [[Villager (SSB4)|then]] [[Wii Fit Trainer (SSB4)|again]]... Anyway, like with Pac-Man, my favorite part of them was the fact that they didn't just bring {{uv|Duck Hunt}} content with them, but also ''[[Wild Gunman]]'' and ''Hogan's Alley'' content. <s>Now if only they could include content from ''Gumshoe'' and ''To the Earth''. ''Smash'' has plenty of Japan-exclusive franchises within it, atleast give us one Western-exclusive franchise (And no, ''[[List of minor Nintendo universes#Ouendan|Elite Beat Agents]]'' doesn't count).</s>
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| *[[Ryu]]: I'll be honest, I'm absolutely '''horrid''' at traditional fighting games, so I never bother with {{uv|Street Fighter}} or any other game of its kind. Anyway, when I first heard about the datamine that revealed that him and [[Roy]] would be coming as ''Smash 4'' DLC, I was hoping it was referring to Ryu Hayabusa from ''Ninja Gaiden'' since we already got a [[Capcom]] [[Mega Man (SSB4)|fighter]] and putting in a character from a fighting game into ''Smash'' seemed rather farfetched (And no, {{uv|Punch-Out!!}} does not count as a fighting game). Despite this, I am pretty okay with his inclusion.
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| *[[Cloud]]: I was pretty surprised about Cloud's reveal, and I thought he won the Fighter Ballot (which of course, [[Bayonetta (SSB4)|wasn't actually the case]]), but I didn't really care for him all that much as I found him to be a predictable choice for a ''Final Fantasy'' rep. And since his series is extremely lacking in collectibles and music, I honestly could care less if he got cut. <s>please don't crucify me</s>
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| :Fun fact: I actually first learned about Cloud (and the {{uv|Final Fantasy}} series in general) through ''Kingdom Hearts'', since I was much more of a "cartoon" guy as a kid than a "video game" guy.
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| *[[Corrin]]: It's no surprise that I did not see them coming at all, especially since their game only came out 6 months in Japan before their reveal (which honestly makes Sakurai's excuse for not including an {{uv|ARMS}} or ''Xenoblade 2'' rep at launch rather weak). They looked pretty cool and unique, but I was rather miffed how {{uv|Fire Emblem}} got more fighters than much more iconic franchises like {{uv|Zelda}}.
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| *[[Bayonetta]]: Do I really need to say if I found her inclusion surprising or not? Since I actually watched the Japanese version of the Direct first, I didn't recognize her voice and thought it might be Medusa from {{uv|Kid Icarus}} or something. I may have thought of the idea of Bayo being playable, but I just assumed she would be too raunchy and risqué for ''Smash'' and trying to censor her would ruin the appeal of the character. A brilliant choice overall, I must say.
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| ===''[[Ultimate]]'' Newcomers=== | | ==On other NIWA sites== |
| *[[Inkling]]: Like many others, I pretty much expected these guys to appear in the next ''Smash'' installment. I expected them to appear as DLC fighters in ''Smash 4'', but I suppose it was too late to add them. [[Corrin (SSB4)|'''*cough*''']] Anyway, like with Villager, don't have much else to say about them. They're decent additions, overall.
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| *[[Daisy]]: To be honest, I don't really have much of an opinion on her. She got revealed and I was like "Oh, that's cool.". Although I do wish they'd base her moveset more on the spin-off games (since she basically only appears in them and hasn't appeared in the mainline ''Super'' {{uv|Mario}} series since the first ''Super Mario Land'') rather than make her a full clone if we do get another installment.
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| *[[Ridley]]: I'm just gonna be blunt here, I was on the side who did not want Ridley in. However, this wasn't because I thought he was "too big" (After all, [[Olimar]] still got in despite being "too small" <s>I find the idea of [[Kirby]] only being 8 inches tall to be absolute bs considering characters like Adeleine and [[Samus Aran]]'s cameo in ''Kirby's Dream Land 3''</s>). I just didn't like the idea of him being scaled down at all (and no, I didn't take his appearance in the original {{uv|Metroid}} into account since I excused his size there was due to technical limitations). Even right now, the way he was modeled and designed in ''Ultimate'' just makes me massively uncomfortable. That said, congratulations to all the people who did want him in after two decades of pure torture.
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| *[[Simon]] and [[Richter]]: Ever since they revealed that {{SSBU|Snake}} would return in ''Ultimate'', I and pretty much everyone else was expecting a {{uv|Castlevania}} character to make it in, with the most common guess being Simon Belmont. What I didn't expect, however, was that not only would ''Castlevania'' get a second fighter, but that second fighter happened to be Richter. Honestly, if I had thought of a second ''Castlevania'' rep, I would've expected them to go with Trevor (not only because he was the star of the Netflix series, but also because he was the protagonist of the third game of the original Disk System/NES trilogy). While a predictable choice for a second Konami franchise, I do think it's a better franchise from them to represent in ''Smash'' than {{uv|Metal Gear}}.
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| *[[Chrom]]: '''*bangs hands on desk even though I only ever use my laptop on my bed*''' Thank. You. The ''Awakening'' trinity is finally complete! I can finally die in peace now!
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| :In all seriousness though, it's good to see that the Echo Fighter gimmick finally allowed Chrom to be included in the roster without any of that "too many blue-haired swordsmen" hoopla. Although I do question the decision to make him {{SSBU|Roy}}'s Echo. {{SSBU|Ike}} would've made a little more sense since A.: Chrom does have access to an Aether ability in ''Awakening''; B. Chrom seems closer to being a tough guy like Ike than a semi-stalky boy like Roy; and C. ''Awakening'' has a party member named Priam who claims to be the ancestor of Ike, whereas no character (discounting the heroes from older games) in ''Awakening'' has no relation to Elibe (as far as I'm aware).
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| *[[Dark Samus]]: Not gonna lie, I actually had no idea she was such a highly requested character in the West. I didn't think many people would want her since she is a "dark clone" of a Nintendo character (and especially after Dark Pit's very sour reception), but the Echo Fighter gimmick did seem to make people hate clones a lot less, so she wouldn't have gotten much flack regardless anyway. While it's pretty cool that she got in, I am disappointed that she's an almost exact copy of the original Samus when her Assist Trophy role in ''Smash 4'' showed her using moves that Samus definitely cannot use. Not sure about the homing energy balls, but the other two could've atleast been incorporated easily.
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| *[[King K. Rool]]: <s>King K. Rool is just an inferior Bowser clone and you cannot change my mind</s> While I did acknowledge how immensely requested he was, I wasn't really familiar enough with the {{uv|Donkey Kong}} platformer series to really care for him all that much. Long story short: I basically have no opinion on him at all. All I can really say is: Congratulations to all the people who wanted him in.
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| *[[Isabelle]]: Despite being an avid ''New Leaf'' player, I was never really all that attached to Isabelle. It's probably most likely because I actually have two save files based on the human characters from the ''Animal Crossing'' movie (with Yu being mayor), but I just end up always playing as Ai. But it's also because of her voice. I just don't like the Animalese voices in ''New Leaf'', but especially the Peppy villager voice. That extra squeal just grates on my ears, so much so that I turn the volume all the way down whenever a character with that voice speaks. Doesn't help either that ''New Leaf'' was the first installment to remove the option to turn off voices entirely (Atleast the voices in ''New Horizons'' seem to be tolerable this time, so maybe I'll like her more in that game).
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| :Anyway, back on-topic, with how often she appeared in ''Animal Crossing'' media ever since her debut, as well as being the only other ''Animal Crossing'' racer in ''Mario Kart 8'' besides Villager, my only reaction to her becoming playable in ''Smash'' was just a flat-out "Meh". I also don't buy Sakurai's reasoning for not making her an Echo Fighter as you'll see below. Atleast her trailer was worth if for the announcement of an ''Animal Crossing'' Switch game.
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| *[[Ken]]: With Richter proving that a single third-party franchise can have more than one playable character, it was pretty guaranteed that Ryu's fellow rival would make it in as an Echo Fighter for him, and I had no problem with that at all. I was, however, surprised by the fact that, upon further analysis, he's actually more of a semi-clone rather than a full clone. So why is Isabelle not an Echo Fighter again, Sakurai?
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| *[[Incineroar]]: Strap in folks, because this one I have the most things to say about.
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| :Back when ''Sun and Moon'' were first announced, I already found the Starter trio to be a huge improvement over Kalos' trio. Despite this, Popplio was the only one I really liked (and of course it was the most hated Starter ;M;). I found Rowlet a little too bland and while Litten did have a cool design, it failed to grab me personality-wise. However, come the mid-evolutions, and let's just say that I wasn't satisfied with how Popplio's teenage form turned out, so I basically switched to Torracat since it's the only one I didn't dislike. While I did like it, I didn't exactly ''love'' it, and it felt more like an "emergency choice" since there still were the final evolutions left to be revealed. And when they were finally revealed, I was overjoyed with how Primarina turned out. I loved it so much, that I knew I had to switch back to Popplio. But then I looked at Incineroar, and all I can say is: How do I love Incineroar but not Delphox? (And Cinderace. <s>I don't like Pokémon that are designed to appear fully-clothed, okay?</s>) It was a difficult choice, but I ultimately went with Litten when I got my copy of ''Moon'' (Atleast I still got to pick Popplio in ''Ultra Moon'').
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| :When the teaser trailer for ''Ultimate'' first dropped, even though I didn't really want it to be included, I pretty much accepted that Decidueye would be the Gen 7 rep for ''Ultimate'' since it would complete a potential "trio" of fully-evolved Starter Pokémon that included the Fire-type [[Charizard]] and Water-type Greninja, and not many people expected the [[Pokémon Trainer]] (let alone [[Squirtle]] and [[Ivysaur]]) to return. [[Pokémon Trainer (SSBU)|Boy, were we wrong]]. And with {{SSBU|Charizard}} rejoining their team, that made it hard to group it with the "Fully-evolved Starter trio" when it's already regrouped with its [[Pokémon Trainer (SSBB)|original trio]], so Incineroar did become a much more valid choice. Come the November 2018 ''Smash'' Direct, and Incineroar was ultimately revealed to be the Gen 7 rep. If my infobox is anything to go by, I think you can figure out how I feel about it.
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| :As for which Grass-type Starter I would choose to complete the "Fully-evolved Starter trio": While I could just pick Rillaboom (which I would be absolutely fine with since I find the other two fully-evolved Galarian Starters to be rather bleh <s>WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO POOR SOBBLE?!!!</s>), I actually would like there to be a Grass-type Starter Pokémon that gains the Dark-typing for its final evolution (I'm leaning towards a vampire bat that's basically like...well, a vampire), since both Greninja and Incineroar are part Dark-type, and it'd be pretty awkward if two playable fully-evolved Starter Pokémon shared a secondary-type, but the third one didn't. <s>Also, I think they'd fit in nicely with the [[Bowser|pl]][[Ganondorf|ay]][[Wolf|ab]][[Bowser Jr.|le]] [[Ridley|vi]][[Dark Samus|ll]][[King K. Rool|ai]][[Piranha Plant|ns]]. I view Mewtwo as more of a neutral [[Wario|an]][[Meta Knight|ti]]-[[King Dedede|he]][[Dark Pit|ro]], even if [[Event 51: The Showdown|''Smash'' says otherwise]]. Heck, both Greninja and Incineroar have been paired up with the villains [[:File:Greninjas a bad guy.jpg|a]] [[:File:SSBU Congratulations Luigi.png|few]] [[:File:SSBU_challenge_image_054.png|times]].</s>
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| *[[Piranha Plant]]: I don't really have much to say about it other than that it's a funny addition. But I will tell you a story instead.
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| :Before this guy was revealed, I actually had this one dream where Blooper from the ''Mario'' franchise was announced to be a playable fighter. There was some other weird stuff in it, too. Right before the Blooper reveal, there was this segment of EdbotnikThe's version of [[Yoshi]] in some 3D shoot 'em up, and the boss's defeat was what revealed Blooper. Before that even, there was a segment that featured [[King Dedede]] and King K. Rool on a table in a mostly darkened room lightened with what I believe appeared to be a spotlight, and then came what I can only describe as a "Big Chungus" version of [[Fox McCloud]], giving both of them an angry look (I believe this was also before that scene became a meme). <s>i think i actually like this version of fox mccloud more than the actual fox mccloud. i just find him to be the least interesting kind of furry okay?</s>
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| *[[Joker]]: While I was aware of the {{uv|Persona}} series, the only installment I was semi-familiar with was ''Persona 4'', and even then, when it came to an [[Atlus]] franchise in ''Smash'', I would've gone with ''Shin Megami Tensei'' given its stronger association with Nintendo. Since I completely skipped out on the 2018 Game Awards <s>Cuz I could care less about award shows</s>, I've only first heard of Joker via an edit on the ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' page on this very Wiki, and I was only thinking of The Joker from the DC Universe and assumed it was just a vandal edit. Boy, was I wrong. He is a neat addition, though I still would've preferred ''Megami Tensei'' content.
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| *[[Hero]]: With how very lowly-represented ''Final Fantasy'' was, I wasn't even sure if [[Square Enix]] would allow another property of theirs to be in ''Smash''. Come the E3 2019 Direct, and I was proved wrong, and the fact that it wouldn't just be one protagonist was a nice surprise. Not only that, but we actually get spirits that aren't just of the fighters and more than 2 songs...which all use the MIDI versions instead of the orchestral versions and are limited to to 2 songs per game. Hrnnnnnnng... Anyway, Hero's an overall nice addition, not much else to say.
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| *[[Banjo]] & [[Kazooie]]: This was the franchise of the first Fighters Pass I was the most familiar with, though I admittedly never played a game. I knew very well how much of a connection these guys had with Nintendo, it's just that, with [[Microsoft]]'s buyout of [[Rare]], I assumed they weren't possible as MS was still a competitor in the console market. Even when the head of MS said he would be fine with the bear-and-bird duo being in ''Smash'', I still took that with a grain of salt. Come the E3 2019 Direct, and you had no idea how overjoyed I was (although I did get spoiled when I was trying to search for the video on YouTube. <s>stupid morning timeslot</s>). Quite honestly the third-party fighter that deserved to be in ''Smash'' the most.
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| *[[Terry]]: Despite acknowledging [[SNK]]'s popularity (and even having experience with an SNK franchise in the form of {{uvm3|Metal Slug}}), I honestly didn't think we would even get an SNK character so soon, especially before other companies like Koei Tecmo. Come the copyright leak, and I knew exactly which character of theirs would get in. I'll be honest, I had no opinion on Terry at first since I didn't know the {{uv|Fatal Fury}} series all that well, but when his character presentation came, he instantly grew on me. And like with Pac-Man and Duck Hunt, my favorite aspect of him was that he didn't bring just his own series, but [[List of minor third-party universes#SNK series|a whole set of other SNK franchises]]. Of the DLC fighters in the first Fighters Pass, while Banjo & Kazooie still are my favorite additions, Terry is my favorite character to play as.
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| *[[Byleth]]: '''*sigh*''' Look, I don't hate Byleth. I do think they're one of the more interesting fighters from ''Fire Emblem''. It's just that, coming from an expansion pass consisting mostly of new franchises that are a surprise in some way or another, Byleth just came off as a disappointing conclusion to the entire pass because they're yet another fighter from a franchise with a fighter list that ties with ''Pokémon'' and comes very close to ''Mario'' in quantity. A "meh" choice, to be quite frank.
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| *[[Min Min]]: '''*bangs hands on my non-existent desk once again*''' THE "SPIRITS DECONFIRM" ARGUMENT IS FINALLY DEAD!!! THANK FREAKING GOD!!! *heavy sigh* Sorry about that. Anyway, I don't have much to say about Min Min. I personally wanted [[Spring Man]] to be the ''ARMS'' character just so the "Assist Trophies deconfirm" argument can finally be discredited, even with how unlikely it is, but Min Min is a fine addition, anyway.
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