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 ::::Well, I guess this is the problem with those that have sub-universes that don’t have playable characters (in this case, Wrecking Crew and probably some others). I deeply apologize if you think I exploded over this. I know you have more experience than me in the wiki. But I do not see why you’re keeping the tag. Why don’t we start over, and forgive and forget? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 16:04, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
 :::::Just curious, would any of this happen if I didn’t do anything at all? Would it happen if the IP who put up this tag didn’t put it up in the first place? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 16:08, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+::::::(edit conflict)
+::::::#Wrecking Crew is different because that's actually treated as a separate universe. The Mario spinoffs are treated as Mario titles, as they should be. It's the same with Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario.
+::::::#I did not think you exploded. I would call you out if you did. I think this conversation is going quite well, actually.
+::::::#This would still happen; [[SW:CONSENSUS|consensus is mandatory for major changes]]. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:37, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
 Here was my thought process: the trophies, spirits, and music pages all refer to it as the "Super Mario Bros." series. That was why I tagged this and the Sonic the Hedgehog universe pages. This one, I can definitely understand if there is some debate though, mainly due to Mario Kart being counted as a separate series music-wise. While I would like this page to be renamed to be consistent with the subpages, I understand if this is meant to be the general scope instead. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 16:33, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+:Actually, I pulled up both Smash 3DS and Ultimate (getting the other games up is more of a hassle), and across both I found "Mario" (Ultimate's sound test), "Super Mario" (the spirits), and "Super Mario Bros." (the trophies). I reiterate that "Mario" covers the whole scope of the series rather than anything specific, especially considering how much outside of the mainline Mario titles is clumped together with the Mario universe in Smash. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:38, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+::Ok that makes sense. So this page should stay as is. Should the music and spirits pages be renamed according to how they are in the games? Or should they just be renamed to "Mario series" to be consistent with this page? [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 16:49, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+I '''oppose''' for reasons above. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 16:40, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+If Dr. Mario is a playable character in smash bros, then it should be classified as the Mario Series. I currently '''oppose''' this move.[[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]][[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]][[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|Talk]]) 16:43, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+With all those reason listed, I believe they make sense. Now, I '''oppose''' the move. [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 16:59, April 28, 2020 (EDT)
+==Trivia regarding missing Mario stages==
+Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2 is an alternate stage layout rather than a fully fledged missing stage, but I'd say that totally still counts as some kind of missing stage. It's a full on stage layout of its own kind that exists separate from 1-1 and isn't just an aesthetical thing missing in Ultimate like B&W GB Dream Land. It's even different a case from the slightly different layout version of Gaur Plain on 3DS or the differing stage hazards between the different versions of Smash 4. For all intents and purposes, it's its own stage that just so happens to be hidden behind an input select method (at least IDK if it was also random to appear instead of 1-1 or present as is somewhere in the single-player). <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:82.30.210.113|82.30.210.113]] ([[User talk:82.30.210.113|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.30.210.113|contribs]]) 11:48, January 29, 2021 (EST)</small>
+== Consider splitting the "Media with elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" into its own article ==
+Going over the article's TOC, I'm astonished over how many subsections are presented in the "Media with elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" section. I actually feel like this is too much to scroll through, that I think splitting the section into its own page would alleviate this issue. Normally this isn't the procedure for universe pages, but compared to the other universe pages, this one deserves to be its own article. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 00:14, October 23, 2021 (EDT)
+: I have to agree on this one, since they tend to take 1/2 to 2/3 of an universe's page length. Maybe they should be put in a subpage. [[User:Prolyfic8|Prolyfic8]] ([[User talk:Prolyfic8|talk]]) 04:48, October 23, 2021 (EDT)
+: '''Support''' I agree. --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 21:10, October 23, 2021 (EDT)
+::Are "subpages" the ones where they act like folders? If so, then that may be best due to that category's length as it will just compress it unless one wishes to view it. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:40, October 23, 2021 (EDT)
+== Ordering Fighters By Character Selection Screen ==
+Should the fighters be organized by each game's character selection screen like with the stages? Here is how the Mario (universe) page would look with it:
+===In ''[[Super Smash Bros.]]''===
+*[[File:LuigiIcon(SSB).png|50px|right|link=Luigi (SSB)]]'''{{SSB|Luigi}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:MarioIcon(SSB).png|50px|right|link=Mario (SSB)]]'''{{SSB|Mario}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''===
+*[[File:DrMarioIcon(SSBM).png|50px|right|link=Dr. Mario (SSBM)]]'''{{SSBM|Dr. Mario}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:MarioIcon(SSBM).png|50px|right|link=Mario (SSBM)]]'''{{SSBM|Mario}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:LuigiIcon(SSBM).png|50px|right|link=Luigi (SSBM)]]'''{{SSBM|Luigi}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:BowserIcon(SSBM).png|50px|right|link=Bowser (SSBM)]]'''{{SSBM|Bowser}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:PeachIcon(SSBM).png|50px|right|link=Peach (SSBM)]]'''{{SSBM|Peach}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''===
+*[[File:MarioIcon(SSBB).png|50px|right|link=Mario (SSBB)]]'''{{SSBB|Mario}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:LuigiIcon(SSBB).png|50px|right|link=Luigi (SSBB)]]'''{{SSBB|Luigi}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:PeachIcon(SSBB).png|50px|right|link=Peach (SSBB)]]'''{{SSBB|Peach}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:BowserIcon(SSBB).png|50px|right|link=Bowser (SSBB)]]'''{{SSBB|Bowser}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. 4]]''===
+*[[File:MarioIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Mario (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Mario}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:LuigiIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Luigi (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Luigi}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:PeachIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Peach (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Peach}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:BowserIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Bowser (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Bowser}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:RosalinaIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Rosalina & Luma (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Rosalina & Luma}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:BowserJrIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Bowser Jr. (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Bowser Jr.}}''' (3DS: [[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]; Wii U: [[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*[[File:DrMarioIcon(SSB4-U).png|50px|right|link=Dr. Mario (SSB4)]]'''{{SSB4|Dr. Mario}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+===In ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]''===
+*01. [[File:MarioIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Mario (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Mario}}''' ([[Starter character|Starter]]){{clr}}
+*09. [[File:LuigiIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Luigi (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Luigi}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*13. [[File:PeachIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Peach (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Peach}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*13<sup>ε</sup>. [[File:DaisyIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Daisy (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Daisy}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*14. [[File:BowserIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Bowser (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Bowser}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*18. [[File:DrMarioIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Dr. Mario (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Dr. Mario}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*48. [[File:RosalinaIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Rosalina & Luma (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Rosalina & Luma}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*58. [[File:BowserJrIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Bowser Jr. (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Bowser Jr.}}''' ([[Unlockable character|Unlockable]]){{clr}}
+*70. [[File:PiranhaPlantIcon(SSBU).png|50px|right|link=Piranha Plant (SSBU)]]'''{{SSBU|Piranha Plant}}''' ([[DLC]]){{clr}}
+Thoughts on this? [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]] ([[User talk:Diddy Kongstar|talk]]) 22:59, January 3, 2022 (EST)