Editing User:Ultimate Toad/SSBU Missing stages

While I believe having a wide variety of characters is one of the most important aspects of ''Smash'', I also believe stages are just as inportant, and in my opinion even more so. As you know there are only 15 stages from past ''Smash'' games that did not return in ''Ultimate''. Whether these stages are gone for good or will return as future DLC is unknown, so I made a list showing all of the missing stages while making a brief summary about the likelyhood of the stages returning as DLC, and also a short section for why I want or don't want those stages back.

Note: Because [[Flat Zone]] 1 and [[Flat Zone 2]] are practically merged into [[Flat Zone X]] those 2 stages are excluded from this list. [[Mushroomy Kingdom]] 1-2 and B&W [[Dream Land GB]] will also be excluded due to being alternate stage layouts.

==''[[Super Smash Bros. 64]]''==
===[[Planet Zebes]]===
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!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Planet Zebes
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:PlanetZebesSSB.png|200px]]<br>[[File:MetroidSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. 64]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{change|Neutral}}
|}

====Resons for inclusion====
{{buff|This is one of 2 stages from 64 to not return in Ultimate}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|The stage mechanic is identical to [[Brinstar]] and so might not make it in due to redundancy.}}
====My opinion====
This stage looks cool (mostly the background) and I prefer it over Brinstar, it was one of my favorites in 64.  I would like to see this stage back even though it's similar to Brinstar, mainly due to aesthetics.
*'''Do I want this stage back'''?: {{buff|Yes}}
===[[Sector Z]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Sector Z
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:SectorZSSB.png|200px]]<br>[[File:StarFoxSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. 64]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{change|Neutral}}
|}

====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|Same as Planet Zebes}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Once again, same: Too similar to [[Corneria]].}}
{{clr}}
====My opinion====
Not much to say besides the background being cool. IfI were to choose between this and Corneria, I would've rather had this stage since Corneria was already in Brawl and for 3DS. The one problem I have with this stage is that it's too big. If it were the same size as Corneria then it would be better. Either way I like this stage a lot so...
*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{buff|Yes}}
==''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''==
===[[Icicle Mountain]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
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!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Icicle Mountain
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:IcicleMountain.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:IceClimberSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{nerf|No}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|This is the only Ice Climber stage to not return in Ultimate.}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Then again there are only 2 IC stages, and [[Summit|the other one]] is much better.}}

{{nerf|Generally an unpopular stage.}}

{{nerf|Verticle auto-scroll stages are gone from Ultimate}}
====My opinion====
This is one of those stages that I like in silly casual matches where I exploit the AI and play survival tests. But still this stahe is really annoying and not a good stage to fight on since the scrolling speed is unpredictable, and in general the layout makes it difficult to score a KO.
*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{nerf|No.}}
===[[Mushroom Kingdom (SSBM)|Mushroom Kingdom]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Mushroom Kingdom
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:Mushroom Kingdom I Melee.png|200px]]<br>[[File:MarioSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{change|Neutral (leaning towards likely}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|Despite being similar to 64's [[Mushroom Kingdom (SSB)|Mushroom Kingdom]], this stage has a different layout and mechanic: breakable blocks containing items}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Even though it has the differences mentioned above, it's still almost identical and still might be redundant.}}
====My opinion====
Eh, I like this stage, but 64's is better in both layout and mechanics. The blocks make it difficult to KO due to how they are placed and generally there's nothing that interesting in this version compared to 64: 64 had funtioning pipes, POW blocks, and Piranha Plant hazards. Melee? Well you have blocks, some blocks, and more blocks... But what is fun is when the AI suddenly does nothing (as I wrote in the [[List of flaws in artificial intelligence (SSBM)#Stage related|AI flaws page in Melee]]) then I also do nothing until they start moving again.
*'''Do I want this stage back?''':{{change|Neutral}}
===[[Mute City (SSBM)|Mute City]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
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!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Mute City
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:MuteCity.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:FZeroSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{buff|Yes}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|Despite being similar to [[Port Town Aero Drive]], this stage still looks much different and would still be unique}}

{{buff|This is the only F-Zero stage That is not in Ultimate}}

====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Too similar to [[Port Town Aero Drive]]}}
====My opinion====
I like this stage better than Port Town. Well once again it's all mostly aesthetic. One difference is the cars have set knockback unlike in Port Town.
*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{buff|Yes}}
===[[Poke Floats]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Mushroom Kingdom
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:PokeFloats.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:MarioSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{buff|Yes}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|<s>KIRBY ONLY! ITEMS VERY HIGH! POKE FLOATS!</s>This stage is surprisingally a popular pick for Melee stages}}

{{buff|This is the only Pokemon stage missing from Ultimate}}

{{buff|There's nothing redundant about this stage. The fact that Pokémon Stadium and it's clone made it in I don't see why not}}

====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Doesn't really represent the Pokemon universe as well anymore.}}

====My opinion====
I nicknamed this stage "Self-Destruction Floats". I loved this stage in Melee and am kinda disappointed it didn't return. What kinda bugs me is the reasons people give for why this stage didn't return.
*Squirtle: This is a weak argument. If Squirtle being playable is the reason this stage is deconfirmed, then 75m, Port Town and Duck Hunt shouldn't have made it in either.
*Stage morph: This is an even weaker argument. Basically they say because it's an auto-scroll there is no static platform to start on when the stage transforms. So... what about Rainbow Cruise? Stage morph seems to totally not work perfectly fine there so there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY we can't just use the Squirtle float...
Well anyway this stage is a good auto-scroll unlike Icicle Mountain: it's still playable and possible to fight on. Once again the AI also makes this stage fun because they are awful at it. (I seriously can't believe this crazy stage was once legal...)
*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{buff|Yes}}
==''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''==
===[[Rumble Falls]]===
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|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Rumble Falls
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:Rumble Falls Brawl.png|200px]]<br>[[File:DKSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{nerf|No}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|It uhh... looks nice?}}

====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Verticle auto-scroll stages are gone from Ultimate}}

{{nerf|Unpopular stage}}

<s>{{nerf|I HATE THIS STAGE}}</s>
====My opinion====
I absolutely DESPISE this stage. At least Icicle Mountain was fun to some extent (but still really annoying) but this stage is basically Icicle Mountain with all the fun stuff taken out and replaced with infuriating stuff: the layout is much more complex and crowded, at least there's a warning for when the stage will speed up but the layout again makes it hard to platform, the [[OHKO]] spikes are self-explanatory, oh did I mention the OHKO spikes? Well you can clearly this is my least favorite stage in the series.
*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{nerf|ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!}}

===[[Pictochat]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Pictochat
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:PictoChat2.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:DSSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{change|Neutral}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|Transformations are different from [[Pictochat 2]]}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Unfortunately it's still not much different from 2}}
====My opinion====
This stage is alright. Well there's not much I csn say about this stage... it doesn't matter if this stage returns or not.
*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{change|Neutral}}

=={{for3ds}}==
===[[Rainbow Road]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Rainbow Road
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:SSB4 Rainbow Road.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:MarioSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{for3ds}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{buff|Yes}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|There's nothing redundant about this stage at all}}

{{buff|Rainbow Road is an iconic track in Mario Kart}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|If we get a Rainbow Road stage it'll most likely be [[Mariowiki:Rainbow Road (MK8)|Mario Kart 8]]'s version, even though that version kinda sucks.}}

====My opinion====
Alright this is by far the stage I'm most disappointed to see left out in Ultimate, this stage would've looked so nice with the new graphics and there's nothing redundant about this stage, yet they decide to again just bring back [[Mario Circuit]] and [[Figure-8 Circuit|it's Brawl clone]]. I've been wanting a Rainbow Road stage since Brawl but the 3DS version is the only game to have one. If this doesn't return I'd still want to see any Rainbow Road stage from any game, my picks would be [[Mariowiki:Rainbow Road (N64)|the original Mario Kart 64]]'s or [[Mariowiki:Rainbow Road (GCN)|Double Dash]]'s.

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{buff|Yes}}

===[[Pac-Maze]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Pac-Maze
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:SSB4 Pac-Maze.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:PacManSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{for3ds}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{buff|Yes}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|This stage is what represents Pac-man the most.}}

{{buff|This was a popular stage}}

====Reasons for exclusion====

Can't think of any right now

====My opinion====
Pac-Maze is a popular stage that should've made it in. Like I said, this is what represents Pac-man the best as a stage: It's recognizable and iconic, Pac-Land doesn't really do its job for that. While I think Pac-Land is overhated (Though I myself never really liked it much), it seems odd that they bring back a widely hated stage rather than a very popular stage. I like this stage so I hope it comes back.

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{buff|Yes}}

=={{forwiiu}}==
===[[Jungle Hijinxs]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Jungle Hijinxs
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}
[[File:SSB4UJungleHijinxs.jpg|200px]]</br>
[[File:DKSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{forwiiu}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{nerf|No}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|We don't have a DKC Returns stage.}}

{{buff|Fighting in the background is a neat mechanic}}
====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|Downside: the background being a fighting section would actually be a problem in stage morph}}

====My opinion====
Eh, as someone who never really liked Donkey Kong Country, this stage has a neat mechanic that was never used on any stage. Honestly I hardly played this stage much to say much about it. For once, I admit that stage morph would be a problem in a stage, and that stage is this one. If the morph occurs while players are in the background, then it would cause obvious oddities.

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{change|Neutral}}

===[[Pyrosphere]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Pyrosphere
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:Pyrosphere press image.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:MetroidSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{forwiiu}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{nerf|No}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|This is one of two Metroid series stages that are missing}}

====Reasons for exclusion====

{{nerf|Ridley}}

====My opinion====
I never really liked this stage much, but having a boss fight for you is a unique mechanic. The problem with this stage is Ridley is now playable. Even though I never played a Metroid game, I know that the Ridley in this stage is not the "real" one, and I already mentioned that Squirtle is a weak argument for Poke Floats not returning, but this is different. The Ridley looks too similar to the real one and would look odd seeing 2 Ridleys.

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{nerf|No}}

===[[Woolly World]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Wooly World
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:SSB4UWoollyWorld.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:MarioSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{forwiiu}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{buff|Yes}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|This is the only Yoshi series stage missing}}

====Reasons for exclusion====

None I can think of.

====My opinion====
Yoshi's woolly world was a good game, although I will admit I don't really like the idea of Yoshi being overly cutesy and kiddish these days. This stage never really appealed to me, but it aesthetically looks nice.

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{change|Neutral}}

====[[Orbital Gate Assault]]====
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Orbital Gate Assault
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:SSB4 - Great Fox.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:StarFoxSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{forwiiu}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{change|Neutral}}
|}
====Reasons for inclusion====
{{buff|It is one of 2 missing Star Fox stages.}}

====Reasons for exclusion====
{{nerf|But there are only 5 stages from this universe in the series so it doesn't say much.}}

====My opinion====
Space has always interested me, and this stage has an amazing background. Unfortunately, fighting on this stage is really annoying so I never really played it much outside of omega form.

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{change|Neutral}}

===[[Miiverse]]===
{|class="infobox bordered" style="float:right; width:264px; font-size:90%; text-align:left;" cellpadding="3"
|- 
!colspan="2" style="font-size:110%; text-align:center; background-color:#EEE; color:#000;"|Miiverse
|-
{{!}}colspan="2" style="text-align:center;background-color:#FFF;"{{!}}[[File:SSB4 - Miiverse.jpg|200px]]<br>[[File:MiiverseSymbol.svg|50px]]
{{!}}-
{{!}}width="45%" style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Game'''
{{!}}width="55%"{{!}}{{forwiiu}}
{{!}}-
{{!}} style="background-color:#EEE; color:#000;" {{!}}'''Possible?'''
{{!}}{{nerf|No}}
|}

===Reasons for inclusion===
Can't think of any right now.

===Reasons for exclusion===
{{nerf|R.I.P Miiverse. 2012-2017}}

===My opinion===
I still miss Miiverse. I remember playing this stage and seeing my drawings pop up, and other funny posts, like localize {{s|wikibound|Mother 3}} protests, a bearded Jigglypuff, and bad ones like overused memes and curse words. Unfortunately, now that Miiverse is gone I see no point in playing this stage anymore, if it were then I would like this stage back, but...

*'''Do I want this stage back?''': {{nerf|No}}

==Conclusion==
So yeah there's not that many stages that are missing. Some are [[Rainbow Road|good]], some are [[Rumble Falls|bad]], and some are [[Poke Floats|silly, fun, and nonsensical]]. Everyone has their opinions on stage, like one might despise one stage, but the other might love said stage. So that leaves one question: if I were the developer and want to do fan service, which stages would I bring back?

Answer: '''All of them execpt Rumble Falls'''.

So what stages do you want back? Feel free to add any important things I missed.
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