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=== {{s|User|Serpent King}} ([[User talk:Serpent King|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serpent King|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Serpent King|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Serpent King (2)|passing RFA]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Serpent King|RFB page]]) === | === {{s|User|Serpent King}} ([[User talk:Serpent King|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Serpent King|contribs]] • [[Special:Editcount/Serpent King|edit count]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Serpent King (2)|passing RFA]] • [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Serpent King|RFB page]]) === | ||
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#'''Support'''. Incredibly active and amazing at dispute resolution. More importantly, very thoughtful before taking concrete action, so I would trust SK with pretty much any permission other than the ability to delete the entire wiki at once. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 08:02, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #'''Support'''. Incredibly active and amazing at dispute resolution. More importantly, very thoughtful before taking concrete action, so I would trust SK with pretty much any permission other than the ability to delete the entire wiki at once. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 08:02, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Support''' I've never been one for big words, but at the same time I feel that anything I could say has already been said. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 10:03, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #'''Support''' I've never been one for big words, but at the same time I feel that anything I could say has already been said. [[File:AidanzapunkSig1.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Wandering Dragon Warrior'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSig2.png|20px]] 10:03, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Support'''. Serpent is amazing as an admin, and I know he can do even better as a | #'''Support'''. Serpent is amazing as an admin, and I know he can do even better as a beaurocrat. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Furry Nation'''</span>]]. <span style="color: #CC5500">Furries make the Internets go! :3</span> 10:07, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Support'''. I can't really think of anything to say for this, so I'm just gonna let the other comments speak for me. Great candidate though! even if he's a pain for me sometimes. [[User:BSTIK|BSTIK]] ([[User talk:BSTIK|talk]]) 12:02, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #'''Support'''. I can't really think of anything to say for this, so I'm just gonna let the other comments speak for me. Great candidate though! even if he's a pain for me sometimes. [[User:BSTIK|BSTIK]] ([[User talk:BSTIK|talk]]) 12:02, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#I've been an admin for over a year now. A year and...about 4 months, to be precise. Of course, I failed in my first attempt, but I attribute my success to my second attempt to a variety of factors, the most prominent one being Serpent. He was basically like my mentor, teaching me how to be a more professional user among other things. If it weren't for him, I'd probably never be where I am now, or, at the least, it would've taken me longer to get here. Keep in mind, this is completely without bias. I'm merely stating my experience with him. With that in mind, I '''support''' this. If there's anyone I'm going to trust with the powers of a bureaucrat, it's Serpent. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:42, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #I've been an admin for over a year now. A year and...about 4 months, to be precise. Of course, I failed in my first attempt, but I attribute my success to my second attempt to a variety of factors, the most prominent one being Serpent. He was basically like my mentor, teaching me how to be a more professional user among other things. If it weren't for him, I'd probably never be where I am now, or, at the least, it would've taken me longer to get here. Keep in mind, this is completely without bias. I'm merely stating my experience with him. With that in mind, I '''support''' this. If there's anyone I'm going to trust with the powers of a bureaucrat, it's Serpent. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:42, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
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==== Neutral ==== | ==== Neutral ==== | ||
#''' | #'''Waiting for now'''. In order to see what people genuinely think about this and for some edit-history evidence to be presented, I am not going to show outright support until after some time has passed. Really, there is no reason for me not to support in my mind currently. After all, there is only one currently? Serpent King has been a well performed admin from my perspective. [[User: RobSir_zx|<span style="color:orange">Rob</span>]][[User talk:RobSir_zx|<span style="color:blue">'''Sir '''</span>]][[File:RobSir-sig.jpg|16px]] [[Special:Contributions/RobSir zx|<span style="color:red">zx</span>]] 03:16, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Neutral with a lot of mixed feelings and a very weak lean towards oppose.''' To be honest, I'm not really sure where to go with a response to this RfB. Let me start with my reservations on the subject: | #'''Neutral with a lot of mixed feelings and a very weak lean towards oppose.''' To be honest, I'm not really sure where to go with a response to this RfB. Let me start with my reservations on the subject: | ||
#:*This may be nothing other than a weird mis-reading on my part, but it does seem like you [[User talk:Black Vulpine#Discord|occasionally play favorites]]. Going to a then-new user and saying they have "great promise" feels like you're deliberately trying to single out someone with atypical praise rather than simply the normal encouragement I'd expect. | #:*This may be nothing other than a weird mis-reading on my part, but it does seem like you [[User talk:Black Vulpine#Discord|occasionally play favorites]]. Going to a then-new user and saying they have "great promise" feels like you're deliberately trying to single out someone with atypical praise rather than simply the normal encouragement I'd expect. | ||
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#:*You've contributed heavily to both the front-end and back-end of the wiki, showing that you're clearly more committed to the site than merely surface-level contributions. | #:*You've contributed heavily to both the front-end and back-end of the wiki, showing that you're clearly more committed to the site than merely surface-level contributions. | ||
#:It's a weird situation. I see the pros and cons and, to be honest, I end up feeling like almost everything cancels out. You haven't done anything that is a dealbreaker or enough to push me into full opposition, but I also see no pressing need nor a particularly convincing case to support you. I apologize if this is overly long-winded or confusing, but I did my best to express the feelings I have on the subject. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 04:49, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #:It's a weird situation. I see the pros and cons and, to be honest, I end up feeling like almost everything cancels out. You haven't done anything that is a dealbreaker or enough to push me into full opposition, but I also see no pressing need nor a particularly convincing case to support you. I apologize if this is overly long-winded or confusing, but I did my best to express the feelings I have on the subject. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 04:49, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#::'''Playing favorites''': "great promise" may have been too strong language, I'll admit. This was more or less an overjoyed reaction to gaining someone new who most likely | #::'''Playing favorites''': "great promise" may have been too strong language, I'll admit. This was more or less an overjoyed reaction to gaining someone new who most likely would leave after 5 edits and who does not only focus on the competitive scene. While it is no problem that people focus on the competitive scene, there is still plenty of work to be done elsewhere, and getting help on those things elated my spirits a bit. | ||
#::'''CharBar''': As stated, that was a long time ago, and I have since realized where I had gone wrong there. Talk's cheep, but you'll see: it won't happen again, that's a promise. | #::'''CharBar''': As stated, that was a long time ago, and I have since realized where I had gone wrong there. Talk's cheep, but you'll see: it won't happen again, that's a promise. | ||
#::'''Do we need another''': I personally believe that the need for a new admin or crat shouldn't influence their gaining the promotion, both because it's not really fair to them to evaluate it this way, and because, looking to the future, we very well could run into a situation where a more consistent crat could be deemed necessary. | #::'''Do we need another''': I personally believe that the need for a new admin or crat shouldn't influence their gaining the promotion, both because it's not really fair to them to evaluate it this way, and because, looking to the future, we very well could run into a situation where a more consistent crat could be deemed necessary. | ||
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#:::Maybe I am, but all of those examples are real and likely examples to occur. You do have a good point however, and the people on the support side have a huge point. Plus, as i mentioned before, i feel one bure is enough, and all we need, due to the reasons mentioned earlier. [[User:Penro|<font color="red">'''Pen'''</font>]][[User talk:Penro|<font color="black">'''''ro'''''</font>]] 17:06, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #:::Maybe I am, but all of those examples are real and likely examples to occur. You do have a good point however, and the people on the support side have a huge point. Plus, as i mentioned before, i feel one bure is enough, and all we need, due to the reasons mentioned earlier. [[User:Penro|<font color="red">'''Pen'''</font>]][[User talk:Penro|<font color="black">'''''ro'''''</font>]] 17:06, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
#::::I think you are probably most worried about the overpowering thing? Well I'd like to think that...since Toomai and I don't really overpower each other now (crats don't have any more say than admins in discussions except for promotions) in any situation, this would be the case even if we had the same role. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:15, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | #::::I think you are probably most worried about the overpowering thing? Well I'd like to think that...since Toomai and I don't really overpower each other now (crats don't have any more say than admins in discussions except for promotions) in any situation, this would be the case even if we had the same role. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 17:15, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
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:Sure thing: there's [[User_talk:PokemonMasterJamal3#The_removal_of_those_tournament_placings|this one that unfortunately went further on discord so you don't get to see the whole thing]], [[SmashWiki talk:Manual of Style/Words to Watch|Crow and I found a nice compromise here]], not sure where the main discussion went for this, but we ended up with a decent compromise for the [[User_talk:Serpent_King/Archive_10#Regarding_competitive_history_pages|title of the competitive history articles]], [[User_talk:KirbysCrazyAppetite#I.27m_a_little_late_but_.28also_Mute.2C_please_read_this_too.29|here I killed an edit summary dispute]], [[User_talk:Poultry/Archive_2#Favorite_users_lists|I also broke up the favorite user list thing that started up a while back]], [[User_talk:MuteSpittah#SW:1RV_.28yet_again....29|then there was this debacle over a Palutena alt]]. There are probably more, better examples hiding among the heap of talk edits I have made over the years. This was significantly more difficult than for my RfA, just owing to the fact that I didn't have so much other crap (warnings, notices, etc) to sort through. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 03:43, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | :Sure thing: there's [[User_talk:PokemonMasterJamal3#The_removal_of_those_tournament_placings|this one that unfortunately went further on discord so you don't get to see the whole thing]], [[SmashWiki talk:Manual of Style/Words to Watch|Crow and I found a nice compromise here]], not sure where the main discussion went for this, but we ended up with a decent compromise for the [[User_talk:Serpent_King/Archive_10#Regarding_competitive_history_pages|title of the competitive history articles]], [[User_talk:KirbysCrazyAppetite#I.27m_a_little_late_but_.28also_Mute.2C_please_read_this_too.29|here I killed an edit summary dispute]], [[User_talk:Poultry/Archive_2#Favorite_users_lists|I also broke up the favorite user list thing that started up a while back]], [[User_talk:MuteSpittah#SW:1RV_.28yet_again....29|then there was this debacle over a Palutena alt]]. There are probably more, better examples hiding among the heap of talk edits I have made over the years. This was significantly more difficult than for my RfA, just owing to the fact that I didn't have so much other crap (warnings, notices, etc) to sort through. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 03:43, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
I'm just making a post so people are aware that I acknowledge its existence. I don't currently have anything useful to say. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[ | I'm just making a post so people are aware that I acknowledge its existence. I don't currently have anything useful to say. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 06:35, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
'''I would like to motion to make "do we need another one" be completely disregarded as a valid opposition.''' It is basically the antonym of the "why not" argument, which I think we can agree should '''NEVER''' be the basis of an argument for RfA/RfBs. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 15:16, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | '''I would like to motion to make "do we need another one" be completely disregarded as a valid opposition.''' It is basically the antonym of the "why not" argument, which I think we can agree should '''NEVER''' be the basis of an argument for RfA/RfBs. ''[[User:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex Parpotta'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex Parpotta|<span style="color: red;">'''flying lobster!'''</span>]]'' 15:16, 20 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
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