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It has come to my attention that this Project M thing is getting pretty big: it already has recognition and equal standing to the three real games on SmashBoards and in tournaments. And now, multiple people are requesting that we do the same here. | It has come to my attention that this Project M thing is getting pretty big: it already has recognition and equal standing to the three real games on SmashBoards and in tournaments. And now, multiple people are requesting that we do the same here. | ||
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#I agree with B33FC4K3 and Timson, they are technically new characters designed to be /close/ [[Semi-clone|replicas]] of their Melee counterparts, and as such have differing technical data. [[User:Oasidu|Oasidu]] ([[User talk:Oasidu|talk]]) 14:39, 19 October 2013 (EDT) | #I agree with B33FC4K3 and Timson, they are technically new characters designed to be /close/ [[Semi-clone|replicas]] of their Melee counterparts, and as such have differing technical data. [[User:Oasidu|Oasidu]] ([[User talk:Oasidu|talk]]) 14:39, 19 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#The new character design standard in Project M deserves its own set of pages. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:25, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #The new character design standard in Project M deserves its own set of pages. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:25, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
# I think this wiki be pretty cool. [[User:Fireblaze77| | # I think this wiki be pretty cool. [[User:Fireblaze77|Fireblaze77]] ([[User talk:Fireblaze77|talk]]) 16:11, 21 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
# Project M has become the extension of the Melee metagame which Brawl failed to live up to. While it may not be "official" per se, it is being developed in a professional and thoughtful manner. Its popularity and increasing acceptance as a standalone Smash title is enough for the SmashWiki to give it the attention it deserves.[[User:Garbagehead4|Garbagehead4]] ([[User talk:Garbagehead4|talk]]) 22:09, 21 October 2013 (EDT) | # Project M has become the extension of the Melee metagame which Brawl failed to live up to. While it may not be "official" per se, it is being developed in a professional and thoughtful manner. Its popularity and increasing acceptance as a standalone Smash title is enough for the SmashWiki to give it the attention it deserves.[[User:Garbagehead4|Garbagehead4]] ([[User talk:Garbagehead4|talk]]) 22:09, 21 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
# Agreed. Project M alters Brawl metagames and most characters' movesets to make it more balanced and competitive, hence its successfullness, and it's also the first Brawl hack to include newcomers. It also has many drastically-changed stages, with characteristics that need to be listed. SmashWiki is not official, anyway. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 19:49, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | # Agreed. Project M alters Brawl metagames and most characters' movesets to make it more balanced and competitive, hence its successfullness, and it's also the first Brawl hack to include newcomers. It also has many drastically-changed stages, with characteristics that need to be listed. SmashWiki is not official, anyway. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 19:49, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
# While I Don't every character needs a page(Fox or falco, for example), Roy and Mewtwo definitely should[[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 22:29, 26 October 2013 (EDT) | # While I Don't every character needs a page(Fox or falco, for example), Roy and Mewtwo definitely should[[User:Nocturnal Dragon|Nocturnal Dragon]] ([[User talk:Nocturnal Dragon|talk]]) 22:29, 26 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#I think the article is enough. [[User:Boo Buddy|<span style="color:#00FF00">Boo</span>]] [[User talk:Boo Buddy|<span style="color:#6ba500">Buddy</span>]] [[File:MeganiumMS.png|x20px|link=]] 13:56, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #I think the article is enough. [[User:Boo Buddy|<span style="color:#00FF00">Boo</span>]] [[User talk:Boo Buddy|<span style="color:#6ba500">Buddy</span>]] [[File:MeganiumMS.png|x20px|link=]] 13:56, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Not necessary at all--[[File:MegadarderySig.png|x20px|link=User:Megadardery]][[User_talk:Megadardery|egadardery]] (<small>[[Special:Contributions/Megadardery|edits]]</small>) 17:06, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #Not necessary at all--[[File:MegadarderySig.png|x20px|link=User:Megadardery]][[User_talk:Megadardery|egadardery]] (<small>[[Special:Contributions/Megadardery|edits]]</small>) 17:06, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#The two games are just dissimilar enough to warrant it, but it should be limited to extreme differences or Brawl character's new or altered moves (like the Pokémon Trainer's new down specials). [[User:Oasidu|Oasidu]] ([[User talk:Oasidu|talk]]) 14:49, 19 October 2013 (EDT) | #The two games are just dissimilar enough to warrant it, but it should be limited to extreme differences or Brawl character's new or altered moves (like the Pokémon Trainer's new down specials). [[User:Oasidu|Oasidu]] ([[User talk:Oasidu|talk]]) 14:49, 19 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Well, one of the primary things I think the wiki needs. Characters like Toon Link, Wario, Sonic and the Pokémon have a considerable change on frame data, and so will the newcomers do. Just listing the changed moves is unsufficient, and instead characters should have moveset pages with more technical data and competitive expertise. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 19:55, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | #Well, one of the primary things I think the wiki needs. Characters like Toon Link, Wario, Sonic and the Pokémon have a considerable change on frame data, and so will the newcomers do. Just listing the changed moves is unsufficient, and instead characters should have moveset pages with more technical data and competitive expertise. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 19:55, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#Ain't nobody got time for that. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:orange">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:black">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 18:39, 18 October 2013 (EDT) | #Ain't nobody got time for that. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:orange">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:black">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 18:39, 18 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#The time and energy required to write character movesets is not needed at this point, especially in Project M's ever changing stages of development. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #The time and energy required to write character movesets is not needed at this point, especially in Project M's ever changing stages of development. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:28, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Okay, we don't need to go THIS far. [[User:Fireblaze77| | #Okay, we don't need to go THIS far. [[User:Fireblaze77|Fireblaze77]] ([[User talk:Fireblaze77|talk]]) 16:53, 21 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#Stuff such as new stages, and even things such as '''Green Hill Zone (PM)''' may be reasonable, how are people aupposed to know about this stuff? aren't we striving to be complete? However, I don't feel glitches and stuff (if there are any) need articles as the game has a mostly competitive fanbase and feel. As long as we have people willing to write this, I'm fine with it. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:00, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | #Stuff such as new stages, and even things such as '''Green Hill Zone (PM)''' may be reasonable, how are people aupposed to know about this stuff? aren't we striving to be complete? However, I don't feel glitches and stuff (if there are any) need articles as the game has a mostly competitive fanbase and feel. As long as we have people willing to write this, I'm fine with it. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 21:00, 17 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#To be honest, it could have independent pages for things like unique stages and Turbo Mode. Partial support. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 17:10, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #To be honest, it could have independent pages for things like unique stages and Turbo Mode. Partial support. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 17:10, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#They can have pages for PM exclusive stuff.[[User:Fireblaze77| | #They can have pages for PM exclusive stuff. [[User:Fireblaze77|Fireblaze77]] ([[User talk:Fireblaze77|talk]]) 16:52, 21 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#Not neccesary, other things can be just listed on the main Project M page. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 20:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | #Not neccesary, other things can be just listed on the main Project M page. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 20:08, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Project M is not a real game in the series.--[[User:Pichu+Pichu|Pichu+Pichu]] ([[User talk:Pichu+Pichu|talk]]) 21:28, 25 October 2013 (EDT) | #Project M is not a real game in the series.--[[User:Pichu+Pichu|Pichu+Pichu]] ([[User talk:Pichu+Pichu|talk]]) 21:28, 25 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#Most articles should remain "canon" in the official Smash universe, but citing Project M information could be useful. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:26, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #Most articles should remain "canon" in the official Smash universe, but citing Project M information could be useful. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:26, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#[[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 20:11, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | #[[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 20:11, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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#This would be very helpful. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:orange">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:black">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 18:39, 18 October 2013 (EDT) | #This would be very helpful. <span style="font-family:AR JULIAN; font-size:12pt">[[User:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:orange">Chuck</span>]][[User talk:ChuckNorris24|<span style="color:black">Norris</span>]]</span>[[File:24.png|23px]] 18:39, 18 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#A Project M icon could be useful for citation in tournaments and character pages. It would help avoid confusion between Brawl and PM. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:31, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | #A Project M icon could be useful for citation in tournaments and character pages. It would help avoid confusion between Brawl and PM. [[User:Sartron|Sartron]] ([[User talk:Sartron|talk]]) 17:31, 20 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Yeah, they can have a PM sign on PM exclusive articles | #Yeah, they can have a PM sign on PM exclusive articles. [[User:Fireblaze77|Fireblaze77]] ([[User talk:Fireblaze77|talk]]) 16:50, 21 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
#Per Scr7. Otherwise, I don't think it should be used on external pages, since some people are not interested on these type of hacks at all, and because it makes PM look official. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 20:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | #Per Scr7. Otherwise, I don't think it should be used on external pages, since some people are not interested on these type of hacks at all, and because it makes PM look official. [[File:Crazyhandflash.gif|20px|link=]][[User:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="purple">'''Crazy'''</font><font color="gray">'''master'''</font>]][[User talk:Crazymasterhand98|<font color="blue">'''hand'''</font><font color="green">'''98'''</font>]] 20:19, 22 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
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Finally, there will be those who do not believe that even the most notable of hacks deserve representation on a wiki whose mission statement is to document the Smash Bros. series as unbiasedly as possible. This section is for those people to post their votes. '''If you intend to vote here, do not place a vote for the other topics.''' | Finally, there will be those who do not believe that even the most notable of hacks deserve representation on a wiki whose mission statement is to document the Smash Bros. series as unbiasedly as possible. This section is for those people to post their votes. '''If you intend to vote here, do not place a vote for the other topics.''' | ||
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