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So I am suggesting that we remove the "update history" section in character pages, as this essentially is the same information as what can be found on [[Special:PrefixIndex/List_of_updates_(SSB4)|these pages]]. Having this on the character pages really is just extra clutter: Having a "changes from Brawl" section which details changes from Brawl to the latest version of SSB4 should really be plenty. But I wanted to hear all your thoughts on the matter as usual, so please, discuss. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:42, 2 February 2016 (EST) | So I am suggesting that we remove the "update history" section in character pages, as this essentially is the same information as what can be found on [[Special:PrefixIndex/List_of_updates_(SSB4)|these pages]]. Having this on the character pages really is just extra clutter: Having a "changes from Brawl" section which details changes from Brawl to the latest version of SSB4 should really be plenty. But I wanted to hear all your thoughts on the matter as usual, so please, discuss. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 20:42, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
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#'''Support'''. 1) There's a table of contents. So no clutter. 2) It makes the page easier to read. 3) We can keep the CFB section up to date without worrying about an extra section. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:51, 2 February 2016 (EST) | #'''Support'''. 1) There's a table of contents. So no clutter. 2) It makes the page easier to read. 3) We can keep the CFB section up to date without worrying about an extra section. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 20:51, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
#'''Support'''. I like the idea of there being a section called "Changes from Brawl" and just listing the changes from Brawl that are current with latest patch in SSB4. Also, to pick out of the four choices Miles provided, I would pick the second option. What really matters most is how the character plays now; not how it used to play in previous update. If somebody does want to know, they can look at the changelogs of the game. Eventually these updates will come to end. It seems more relevant now to include them because it wasn't too long ago for us to play the game it was before, but I don't imagine that the game will be continually balanced for much longer. Assuming that the balancing will stop in less than a year, the past changes to the character will become less and less relevant (imagine 5 years from now or even 10 years perhaps if the Wiki is still around). Another thing is that the past updates cannot be played. It makes sense to include changes from previous games (SSB64 > Melee > Brawl > SSB4) since those games can still be played as they are. The previous versions of SSB4, however, cannot be played, which, in my opinion, makes it completely irrelevant to the character currently. EDIT: If possible, I would also support Toomai's idea. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:22, 2 February 2016 (EST) | #'''Support'''. I like the idea of there being a section called "Changes from Brawl" and just listing the changes from Brawl that are current with latest patch in SSB4. Also, to pick out of the four choices Miles provided, I would pick the second option. What really matters most is how the character plays now; not how it used to play in previous update. If somebody does want to know, they can look at the changelogs of the game. Eventually these updates will come to end. It seems more relevant now to include them because it wasn't too long ago for us to play the game it was before, but I don't imagine that the game will be continually balanced for much longer. Assuming that the balancing will stop in less than a year, the past changes to the character will become less and less relevant (imagine 5 years from now or even 10 years perhaps if the Wiki is still around). Another thing is that the past updates cannot be played. It makes sense to include changes from previous games (SSB64 > Melee > Brawl > SSB4) since those games can still be played as they are. The previous versions of SSB4, however, cannot be played, which, in my opinion, makes it completely irrelevant to the character currently. EDIT: If possible, I would also support Toomai's idea. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:22, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
===Oppose removal=== | ===Oppose removal=== | ||
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#::Eh, still. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 20:49, 2 February 2016 (EST) | #::Eh, still. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 20:49, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
#'''Extra clutter?''' Oppose. Also there's no log for 1.0.4 [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 20:49, 2 February 2016 (EST) | #'''Extra clutter?''' Oppose. Also there's no log for 1.0.4 [[User:KirbysCrazyAppetite|Kirby's Crazy Appetite]] ~ [[File:KirbyHeadYellowSSB.png|50x20px]] 20:49, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
#'''Oppose'''... because I was the one who started the project. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] <font color="Black">'''The 70's called. They said'''</font> [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou was here :v'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 21:21, 2 February 2016 (EST) | #'''Oppose'''... because I was the one who started the project. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] <font color="Black">'''The 70's called. They said'''</font> [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou was here :v'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 21:21, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
#'''Oppose.''' Cluttered? [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 22:21, 2 February 2016 (EST) | #'''Oppose.''' Cluttered? [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px|Dark Pit]] and [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px|ZSS]] main. 22:21, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
===Neutral=== | ===Neutral=== | ||
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I mean, the obvious solution to me is to make "Character (SSB4)/Update history" subpages, and then link/transclude that in the places where it's necessary. But since I don't have the code ready to do that in a super-cool way yet I haven't brought it up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 22:03, 2 February 2016 (EST) | I mean, the obvious solution to me is to make "Character (SSB4)/Update history" subpages, and then link/transclude that in the places where it's necessary. But since I don't have the code ready to do that in a super-cool way yet I haven't brought it up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Labbie 22:03, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
:You mean making a page where you can just have one page to use to display changes in different articles (like a template or something)? That may a good idea. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:10, 2 February 2016 (EST) | :You mean making a page where you can just have one page to use to display changes in different articles (like a template or something)? That may a good idea. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|link=User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:10, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
::It might be, but still let's see where this forum ends. | ::It might be, but still let's see where this forum ends. {{unsigned|BeepYou}} | ||
The course of action for the "List of buffs (game)" and "List of nerfs (game)" pages was to delete those pages and keep the info on the Character (game) pages, where it already was. Does that decision have anything to do with this? I think Toomai's plan would be best, personally, even though that would mean making 58 more pages. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 23:43, 2 February 2016 (EST) | The course of action for the "List of buffs (game)" and "List of nerfs (game)" pages was to delete those pages and keep the info on the Character (game) pages, where it already was. Does that decision have anything to do with this? I think Toomai's plan would be best, personally, even though that would mean making 58 more pages. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 23:43, 2 February 2016 (EST) | ||
