Editing Forum:Characters that should have never been in Brawl

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State your opinions and why characters should have never been in Smash.

Snake:  He made the game WAY to violent.  He has no point in being in smash. <br/>
Zelda:  A princess who only uses magic.  No physical abilities whatsoever. <br/>
Diddy Kong:  A monkey who is a weakling and his projectile cannot KO.  <br/>
Toon Link:  A Rip-off of Link who basically is just smaller, faster and floatier. <br/>
Lucas:  A rip-off of Ness who uses the same powers.  Was way too good just when Ness was buffed.  <br/>
And the worst Idea...<br/>
Ike:  Basically Roy with Blue Hair and slower.  He does not fit the discription of a playable character at all.  <br/>

Feel free not to flame me!  [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Green">Para</font><font color="Blue">Goomba</font><font color="Red">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">C'mon, just talk to me</font>]]) [[Special:Contributions/ParaGoomba348|This is where I go]] 17:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:If you don't want to get flamed, starting something like this is a kind of bad idea.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:Useless thing. How could you not get flamed?! [[User:JtM|JtM =^&#93;]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 17:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

"Ike:  Basically Roy with Blue Hair and slower.  He does not fit the discription of a playable character at all." Umm...No. Just no.


"Zelda:  A princess who only uses magic.  No physical abilities whatsoever." Ness- A kid who uses a bat, a yoyo, and psychic abilities. Zelda turns into Sheik, who has physical abilities. And what's wrong with magic?[[User:Smorekingxg456|<font face="Impact" color="5F9EA0"><span style="color:lavender">Smore</span></font>]]
 [[User Talk:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:Green">Talk</span>]] 17:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Tails. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 18:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I didn't see the need for Toon Link, given that he's just a toon version of regular Link. But after realizing how good he is, I changed my mind. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 18:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Jigglypuff doesn't fit in the Smash Universe, it's attacks seem random and don't utilize it's real abilities well. [[User:Dark Overlord|Dark Overlord]] ([[User talk:Dark Overlord|talk]]) 21:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Toon link, he's good and all, but very unorginal. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])

Exactly. We see eye-to-eye on this. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 21:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Falco: He's a bird who can chaingrab and he has an uninspired moveset. Dedede is a bird who can chaingrab and has a more original moveset, making Falco redundant. Not to mention that Dedede is better than Falco.<br/>
Wolf: He's a scaled up Fox with grey fur. His A moves and throws are more inspired than Falco's, but Wolf should been an alternate costume for Fox to have Krystal as a playable character.<br/>
Adult Link: He's like Link, but slower, non-toonish, and cheesy. Wolf Link or Tingle should of got that spot. --[[User:TStick|TStick]] ([[User talk:TStick|talk]]) 16:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Was that a joke, Adult Link being the unoriginal... lol? If it's not then oops. Sonic does not deserve to be in brawl because he was last second entry, delayed the release cause of him, and the only reason why he is in is for money not fame, that's why he was last second entry. Such a selfish and arrogant inc. should not be represented in this game... sry got carried away :(.... [[User:TheLegendTamer|TheLegendTamer]] ([[User talk:TheLegendTamer|talk]]) 17:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Dude, do you know how pissed the Smash community would've been if the most requested third party character hadn't been added? They've wanted Sonic since Melee. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 22:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this applies to the rest of the community, but in zeldapedia tingle's hated almost as much as Navi.  [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]]) 04:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Snake made the game too violent. He made a game all about violence more violent?--[[User:Windu223|Windu223]] ([[User talk:Windu223|talk]]) 21:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this is by far the dumbest and most biased topic I have ever seen. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 22:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:Then why did you come here? :P - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 21:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Wonder that myself... - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 21:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
They all deserve to for one reason or another. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] ([[User talk:Dexington|talk]]) 22:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Sonic to fast for his own good. I mean if you put bunny hood on him he can beat the tracks at the big blue stage.


Lucas, because he was never release in America, making us American Earthbound fanboys sad. Wolf, because he's only been in about three games in a dieing franchise. Then uhh...who was the last one...oh, Sheik. Because...uhh...because. YES I PUT A PARAGRAPH IN FRONT OF MY POST I ENJOY MY POSTS BEING NOTICED. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>''Indeed''</sup></small></span>]] 05:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

:"Lucas, because he was never released in America, making us American Earthbound fanboys sad." What? I'm a member in Starmen.net and many guys there love the addition to Lucas. If you're talking about his game not being in America, than speak for yourself with Marth and Roy. [[User:Meteorite|Meteorite]] ([[User talk:Meteorite|talk]]) 12:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Lucas is bad.  [[User:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Orange">Para</font><font color="Purple">Goomba</font><font color="Black">348</font>]] ([[User talk:ParaGoomba348|<font color="Dark Orange">C'mon, just DIE!!!</font>]]) 13:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Tingle is only massively hated in America. In Japan, he's very popular. He even got a spinoff which got released in Japan and Europe. --[[User:TStick|TStick]] ([[User talk:TStick|talk]]) 15:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"Wolf, because he's only been in about three games in a dieing franchise." Dying franchise? Command and Adventures were the only games in the series that were just okay. If you want to talk about dying franchises, look at the Sonic series. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 17:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
:Command + Adventures + Assault. 3/5 games, +1 that was never released. '''[[User:Cafinator|<span style="color:Darkorange"><small><small>CAFINATOR</small></small></span>]]''' [[User talk:Cafinator|<span style="color:brown"><small><sup>''Indeed''</sup></small></span>]] 02:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::I don't know why Assault got average reviews. I thought it was great. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] ([[User talk:GalaxiaD|talk]]) 22:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:Imo Sonic has been dead for a long time. I don't know why people wanted him in Brawl :/  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 20:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is diddy on this list? Sure hes weak, but he's great at makin people mad, and does a projectile have to K.O.? Hes got good speed and isnt a pile of sticks like fox so i dont see why hes bein hated on. Also why isnt jigglypuff on this, its a freakin pink puff ball that isnt kirby! The Horror! but seriously jiggly sucks {{unsigned|LordGarbageMan}}

Well, here's my roster of the dumbest additions to Brawl:
*'''Lucas''': This pussy is just a pathetic excuse character for others like Poo or Ninten. Who gives a **** if he had a game in 2006? He's terrible! I can tell you all how Ness is much better than he is, so try me. lol
*'''Pikachu''': Been in the game since the first, but IMO, he sucks. Pikachu players focus on spamming thunder (lol Falco's reflector says hi; I found a way to counter it :P) and his short ranged aerials. He's also too light for my taste. This rat FAILS.
*'''Jigglypuff''': Pokemon's attempt to steal Kirby's fame, but who's higher on the SSB and SSBB tier lists? Exactly. Jigglypuff sucks.

I used to have a hatred for '''Toon Link''' and '''Pit'''. I stopped hating Tink because I discovered how fun Wind Waker and Minish Cap were, not to mention the four swords. :D I still think Link is better, though :p

I stopped hating Pit because, well, he only has, like, two games. :\ I felt sorry for him, and when you watch some professional Pit players you'll begin to think he's kinda cool, yet really ghey. As for Peach and Zelda, I stopped hating them because I realized that I'm not a little 2nd grader going trough his "OMFG U LIEK GRLZ U GOT COOTIES@@@" phase, and, like Pit, I watched some professionals play as them. lolololol '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 01:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

:Why does everybody have to hate Lucas? For people that say that he's a Ness rip-off, even though he's got a semi-cloned special moveset, Lucas and Ness play pretty differently. I'm happy to have another person from the Mother series. 

:I think that Meta Knight should not have been in brawl. Kirby & Dedede are enough from the Kirby series, and MK's not really a big character in his universe anyways. Also, I don't like the inclusion of Wolf, as we don't need another space animal. -''[[User:Masq|<span style="color:green">Masq</span>]]'' <small>('''[[User talk:Masq|t]]'''/''[[Special:Contributions/Masq|c]]''/'''[[Special:Editcount/Masq|e]]''')</small> 09:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::I completely disagree with you there. There were only two space animals, and that's not a high number, if you haven't noticed. Same with MK. He's awesome, just easy to use. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Addressing Isues:

Snake makin it too violent: What did yo expect from a huge fighting game, a dating sim????

Lucas: WTF why not, Mother's needed another roster addition.

Sonic: The dude's been begged for since Melee, and you want Nintendo to get hate mail???  And for those who call him a "dying franchise" I don't see what you're talking about.  It's my second favorite series (first being Fire Emblem!)  Just look at Sonic Chronicles, Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic 2006!  They were awesome!

R.O.B. and Toon Link: While I love Toon Link, he had no purpose in Brawl.  R.O.B. is just one of those WTF characters that Nintendo threw in to replace Dr. Mario as the WTF dude.  You don't do the roster according to how good they are, it's the representation and importance to Nintendo.  Bye Pichu, Bye Roy!!!![[User:L33tSilvie|Silvie]] ([[User talk:L33tSilvie|talk]]) 21:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:You made no sense at all. Try and learn english, please. It will benefit both you and the people reading your little argument. Lucas is "WTF"stupid. The only people that like him are the people who behave similarly to him. R.O.B. is better than Geno, that's for damn sure. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::Dude, it's my opinion.  And I'm not one of those Geno fanboys either, he's way to minor for my tastes.  Man, aren't you biased...As for what you said about liking Lucas, I like to play as him.  I saw no problem with him being in Brawl.  I suppose I'm a total sissy for it, then.[[User:L33tSilvie|Silvie]] ([[User talk:L33tSilvie|talk]]) 23:30, 13 January 200
:::And man, aren't you an idiot. I shouldn't have said that, sorry, but I just think Lucas is terrible and n00bs only like him because of his power. Noone cares about your opinion, and noone cares about mine. Stop trolling. And yeah, you are a sissy if you can't handle your problem with me on my talk page. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I really don't see the point of removing a character just because they stink. I would rather have the character improved then removed altogether. I only suggest removing Toon Link and snake. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
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 :Imo Sonic has been dead for a long time. I don't know why people wanted him in Brawl :/  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 20:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
-Why is diddy on this list? Sure hes weak, but he's great at makin people mad, and does a projectile have to K.O.? Hes got good speed and isnt a pile of sticks like fox so i dont see why hes bein hated on. Also why isnt jigglypuff on this, its a freakin pink puff ball that isnt kirby! The Horror! but seriously jiggly sucks <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:LordGarbageMan|LordGarbageMan]] ([[User talk:LordGarbageMan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LordGarbageMan|contribs]]) </small>
+Why is diddy on this list? Sure hes weak, but he's great at makin people mad, and does a projectile have to K.O.? Hes got good speed and isnt a pile of sticks like fox so i dont see why hes bein hated on. Also why isnt jigglypuff on this, its a freakin pink puff ball that isnt kirby! The Horror! but seriously jiggly sucks {{unsigned|LordGarbageMan}}
 Well, here's my roster of the dumbest additions to Brawl:
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 R.O.B. and Toon Link: While I love Toon Link, he had no purpose in Brawl.  R.O.B. is just one of those WTF characters that Nintendo threw in to replace Dr. Mario as the WTF dude.  You don't do the roster according to how good they are, it's the representation and importance to Nintendo.  Bye Pichu, Bye Roy!!!![[User:L33tSilvie|Silvie]] ([[User talk:L33tSilvie|talk]]) 21:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
-:<s>You made no sense at all. Try and learn english, please. It will benefit both you and the people reading your little argument. Lucas is "WTF"stupid. The only people that like him are the people who behave similarly to him. R.O.B. is better than Geno, that's for damn sure. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)</s>
+:You made no sense at all. Try and learn english, please. It will benefit both you and the people reading your little argument. Lucas is "WTF"stupid. The only people that like him are the people who behave similarly to him. R.O.B. is better than Geno, that's for damn sure. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 21:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 ::Dude, it's my opinion.  And I'm not one of those Geno fanboys either, he's way to minor for my tastes.  Man, aren't you biased...As for what you said about liking Lucas, I like to play as him.  I saw no problem with him being in Brawl.  I suppose I'm a total sissy for it, then.[[User:L33tSilvie|Silvie]] ([[User talk:L33tSilvie|talk]]) 23:30, 13 January 200
-:::<s>And man, aren't you an idiot. I shouldn't have said that, sorry, but I just think Lucas is terrible and n00bs only like him because of his power. Noone cares about your opinion, and noone cares about mine. Stop trolling. And yeah, you are a sissy if you can't handle your problem with me on my talk page. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)</s>
+:::And man, aren't you an idiot. I shouldn't have said that, sorry, but I just think Lucas is terrible and n00bs only like him because of his power. Noone cares about your opinion, and noone cares about mine. Stop trolling. And yeah, you are a sissy if you can't handle your problem with me on my talk page. '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 I really don't see the point of removing a character just because they stink. I would rather have the character improved then removed altogether. I only suggest removing Toon Link and snake. [[User:Solar flute|Solar flute]] ([[User talk:Solar flute|talk]])
-::::Jigglypuff WTF. She suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. <font face="calibri" size="3">[[User:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">SapphireKirby</span>]]</font>[[User Talk:SapphireKirby777|<span style="color:blue">'''777'''</span>]] 19:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
-I hate Zelda, not because I'm some second grader, but because they always kick my ass. -MahBoi
-:So, you're saying you want Zelda out because you lose to her? [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
-That's quite understandable... :roll: *spampowaaaa* u_u
-Seriously, spam is the only thing CPU can do with Zelda (Forward Smash) [[User:Metalink187|Metalink187]] ([[User talk:Metalink187|talk]]) 17:49, 20 January 2009 (UTC) I think banjo of banjo-kazooie should have been in brawl
-"Sonic: The dude's been begged for since Melee, and you want Nintendo to get hate mail??? And for those who call him a "dying franchise" I don't see what you're talking about. It's my second favorite series (first being Fire Emblem!) Just look at Sonic Chronicles, Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic 2006! They were awesome!"
-I could not have said it better myself. A lot of people are bitching because '''MEGAMAN''' was not in the game i mean seriously what the F$#@?!?! Also Snake should not have been in the game because he made it to serious. i mean bringing a freaking  grenade launcher to a ssb game?--[[User:Emerl10|Emerl10]] ([[User talk:Emerl10|talk]]) 22:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)Emerl10
-:Megaman '''deserved''' his place in this game. I'm wondering why the world most famous robot wasn't included in this game, although MANY people asked it. Oh and er-... Sonic 2006 was awful.[[User:Metalink187|Metalink187]] ([[User talk:Metalink187|talk]]) 07:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
-What purpose would mega man serve in brawl? he's just some random computer virus. i mean if your going to have a third party character in a ssb game make them have at least '''some''' history with some1, instead of just being random. i mean i just can't see some1 in classic and the announcer says "versus Megaman!" What....the....hell...?--[[User:Emerl10|Emerl10]]
-Hell !!! Megaman is not a "computer virus" like you can see in animes or recent video games. At first, Megaman is a robot, as real as you and me, who fights Dr. Wily and his own creations. Megaman is just the robot that made everyone who had a Famicom Nes dreaming. (Megaman 2...) Plus, Capcom is quite friendly with Nintendo so why would it be impossible for Megaman to join the super smash universe ? [[User:Metalink187|Metalink187]] ([[User talk:Metalink187|talk]]) 17:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
-:Not so friendly...a certain game called "Resident Evil 4" kinda strained that relationship...[[User:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:gold;">L33t</span>]] [[User talk:L33tSilvie|<span style="color:silver;">Silvie</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Green;">[[Special:Contributions/L33tSilvie|F33R T3|-| L337!!</span></sup>]] 20:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
-For me, it'd be:
-Peach: Because of her behavoir in Battleship Halberd Exterior from Subspace Emissary. Ugh, why would she drink tea instead of fighting?
-Sheik: Same as Peach. She couldn't have listen to Peach's crappy ideas.
-Toon Link: Boring and lame. [[User:Fsaenz0125|Fsaenz0125]] ([[User talk:Fsaenz0125|talk]]) 18:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Fsaenz0125
-No third party characters!!!!!Sonic is a mutant blue frickin'headgehog!WTF!Snake is a army guy who doesnt have a gun!WTF!And MegaMan...=(NO
-Well, snake is awesome, sonic is my selection for who shouldnt be in brawl. and why all the lucas hate, teh guy is practicly his own character and is 12 times better than ness. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] ([[User talk:Atomix26|talk]]) 00:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
-Toon Link, Jigglypuff, Falco, and Wolf. Toon Link is just like Link, Jigglypuff isn't any good. Falco and Wolf? They are just copies of Fox. [[User:Jellybeanman|Jellybeanman]] ([[User talk:Jellybeanman|talk]]) 11:01, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
-hey, hey, hey.. don't call Diddy weak. if you put Donkey and Diddy in a battle Diddy will WIN!!!--[[User:Charazard360|Charazard360]] ([[User talk:Charazard360|talk]]) 18:34, 4 March 2015 (EST)
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