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::Yeah... maybe it is too early to decide just yet. But, why not start now. (Plus, I won't remember in a few years to ask again. :P) And even though Brawl is decently balanced, AzureDrake, I don't think that tiers won't come... eventually.[[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 16:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC) | ::Yeah... maybe it is too early to decide just yet. But, why not start now. (Plus, I won't remember in a few years to ask again. :P) And even though Brawl is decently balanced, AzureDrake, I don't think that tiers won't come... eventually.[[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 16:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::However, top tier candidates: The Star Fox characters, Toon Link, Lucario, Ice Climbers (?). Just my three cents contributed. [[User:AzureDrake|AzureDrake]] 19:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC) | :::However, top tier candidates: The Star Fox characters, Toon Link, Lucario, Ice Climbers (?). Just my three cents contributed. [[User:AzureDrake|AzureDrake]] 19:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::Yeah, Toon Link is cool. Anyone heard of the [[ | ::::Yeah, Toon Link is cool. Anyone heard of the [[Quickdraw]]? It's sort of like the [[SHL]], and Toon Link is good at it. Starfox should definitely be at the top (as always), and Lucario... maybe. His characteristics can make him a dangerous fighter. Ice Climbers are cool, and now they have a [[Stall-Then-Fall]] aerial, so I don't think that their tier ranking will change much. Snake should be up there too, because of his 6 projectiles (don't believe me? Count them: Up Smash, Down Smash, Neutral B, Side B, Down B, and Up B (after he lets go)), and his use of the C4 to regain his Cypher (I call this the Cy-four :P) Now, who should be at the ''bottom''? That could be tough. Oh, and are all three of Pokemon Trainer's pokemon counted together? [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 19:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Runer5h | ||
:::::The precedent for transforming characters has been to count them separately so I would say each pokemon should be counted separated despite the timer. Personally I think the differences between tiers will be much less dramatic than it was in Melee as there seem to have been a lot of time spent balancing the characters against each other. I will even hazard a guess that half or more of the characters may even be tournament viable. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:66.112.244.172|66.112.244.172]] ([[User talk:66.112.244.172|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/66.112.244.172|contribs]]) 01:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small> | :::::The precedent for transforming characters has been to count them separately so I would say each pokemon should be counted separated despite the timer. Personally I think the differences between tiers will be much less dramatic than it was in Melee as there seem to have been a lot of time spent balancing the characters against each other. I will even hazard a guess that half or more of the characters may even be tournament viable. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:66.112.244.172|66.112.244.172]] ([[User talk:66.112.244.172|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/66.112.244.172|contribs]]) 01:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small> | ||
::::::Still, some low tiered characters would be Bowser, Yoshi, Ganondorf, and Jigglypuff (?) [[User:AzureDrake|AzureDrake]] 04:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC) | ::::::Still, some low tiered characters would be Bowser, Yoshi, Ganondorf, and Jigglypuff (?) [[User:AzureDrake|AzureDrake]] 04:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
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He can only self-destruct if he's in the air. On the ground, he stops at the edge of the stage. Also, a character can't stay in the air forever. Eventually, they have to hit the ground, where Marth will be waiting. <span style="color:#4CBB17">--Posted by</span> [[User:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">Pikamander2</span>]] <small>[[User Talk:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">(Talk)</span>]]</small> at 17:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | He can only self-destruct if he's in the air. On the ground, he stops at the edge of the stage. Also, a character can't stay in the air forever. Eventually, they have to hit the ground, where Marth will be waiting. <span style="color:#4CBB17">--Posted by</span> [[User:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">Pikamander2</span>]] <small>[[User Talk:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">(Talk)</span>]]</small> at 17:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Ike should be top tier == | == Ike should be top tier == | ||
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Note: I am still wondering, how good with a character do you have to be to be classed as "Proficient"? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:92.10.116.46|92.10.116.46]] ([[User talk:92.10.116.46|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/92.10.116.46|contribs]]) 12:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)</small> | Note: I am still wondering, how good with a character do you have to be to be classed as "Proficient"? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:92.10.116.46|92.10.116.46]] ([[User talk:92.10.116.46|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/92.10.116.46|contribs]]) 12:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)</small> | ||
:You mean Buddha? You dumbass. He lived before the US even ''existed''. '''Stupid troll.''' Runer5h | :You mean Buddha? You dumbass. He lived before the US even ''existed''. '''Stupid troll.''' Runer5h | ||
==Anti-Tier== | ==Anti-Tier== | ||
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I have to agree with Semicolon, everyone has to experiment and find they're best.When I got SSBM I had no idea how to play and who was the best for me.After a few weeks I found my best.Then Brawl comes out, my best in SSBM is still my best in Brawl but everything else has changed because of all of the upgrades.I have my opinion and so does everyone else.The game is well balenced in many ways but there are some ways that it isn't occansionally, but hardly ever.And I also have to agree with Zmario, this topic should be deleted.[[User:IRetardedGenius|IRetardedGenius]] 03:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)iRetardedGenius | I have to agree with Semicolon, everyone has to experiment and find they're best.When I got SSBM I had no idea how to play and who was the best for me.After a few weeks I found my best.Then Brawl comes out, my best in SSBM is still my best in Brawl but everything else has changed because of all of the upgrades.I have my opinion and so does everyone else.The game is well balenced in many ways but there are some ways that it isn't occansionally, but hardly ever.And I also have to agree with Zmario, this topic should be deleted.[[User:IRetardedGenius|IRetardedGenius]] 03:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)iRetardedGenius | ||
Did ANYONE hear what I said, Nintendo doesn't like us making Teir lists as THEY, not YOU make the characters and feel that they did poor quality work on bottem tier characters! So making tier list can possibly LESSON THE CHANCE of them making another Super Smash Bros game, why should Nintendo make another game when we make them seem poor quality! [[User:Dark Overlord|Dark Overlord]] 23:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC) | Did ANYONE hear what I said, Nintendo doesn't like us making Teir lists as THEY, | ||
not YOU make the characters and feel that they did poor quality work on bottem tier characters! So making tier list can possibly LESSON THE CHANCE of them making another Super Smash Bros game, why should Nintendo make another game when we make them seem poor quality! [[User:Dark Overlord|Dark Overlord]] 23:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC) | |||
Here's the kicker, because, much like how I met your mother, they don't care what we think of how it looks as long as we give them money for it. As long as we pay for it, they'll make it. Why they're discouraging competition is beyond me, but no company is stupid enough to abandon one of its biggest cash cows because some fans have ranked their characters.[[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] 01:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC) | Here's the kicker, because, much like how I met your mother, they don't care what we think of how it looks as long as we give them money for it. As long as we pay for it, they'll make it. Why they're discouraging competition is beyond me, but no company is stupid enough to abandon one of its biggest cash cows because some fans have ranked their characters.[[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] 01:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
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oh, I thought those numbers meant that they hadn't signed the comment. I guess it wasn't clarient hawk after all. then again, if he has more than one account, it could be him... [[User:PeetzaLink|PeetzaLink]] 19:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC) | oh, I thought those numbers meant that they hadn't signed the comment. I guess it wasn't clarient hawk after all. then again, if he has more than one account, it could be him... [[User:PeetzaLink|PeetzaLink]] 19:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
Knifeblade has the right idea. You cannot fight the tiers. They came for Smash64 and Melee - they will come for Brawl. The rock-paper-scissors thing is right. However, someone will always be better against more characters than others - top tier. If you want to have your main in that exhaulted position, develop strategies to allow Fox to get Jiggs, Link to pwn Snake (doubtful) - you get the idea. ≈≈≈≈Runer5h | Knifeblade has the right idea. You cannot fight the tiers. They came for Smash64 and Melee - they will come for Brawl. The rock-paper-scissors thing is right. However, someone will always be better against more characters than others - top tier. If you want to have your main in that exhaulted position, develop strategies to allow Fox to get Jiggs, Link to pwn Snake (doubtful) - you get the idea. ≈≈≈≈Runer5h | ||
Well I was just being arbitrary with the characters in my hypothetical. Personally I don't think we will be able to say what the tier list is until we have a few more months to develop the strategies for characters and I personally think tournaments will be more varied in regards to character selection in Brawl as opposed to Melee as, at least to me, there is a less drastic difference between characters' abilities now. But back on topic I have found that Lucario is an excellent counterpick against hit and run play styles and a useful fighter whose main weakness is powerhouse characters like Bowser, DK, Wario, Ike etc... anyway Lucario is solidly upper-mid or possibly high tier. | Well I was just being arbitrary with the characters in my hypothetical. Personally I don't think we will be able to say what the tier list is until we have a few more months to develop the strategies for characters and I personally think tournaments will be more varied in regards to character selection in Brawl as opposed to Melee as, at least to me, there is a less drastic difference between characters' abilities now. But back on topic I have found that Lucario is an excellent counterpick against hit and run play styles and a useful fighter whose main weakness is powerhouse characters like Bowser, DK, Wario, Ike etc... anyway Lucario is solidly upper-mid or possibly high tier. | ||
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2: We are now firmly back on discussing tier rankings. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 01:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Runer5h | 2: We are now firmly back on discussing tier rankings. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 01:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Runer5h | ||
==Back on Topic...=== | |||
==Meta Knight top tier?== | ==Meta Knight top tier?== | ||
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:D: Cypher. The only practical use for the projectile capabilities that I have found is in recovery. If you let go as your opponent tries to attack you, the Cypher will negate the attack.<br> | :D: Cypher. The only practical use for the projectile capabilities that I have found is in recovery. If you let go as your opponent tries to attack you, the Cypher will negate the attack.<br> | ||
2: Close Range moves. And Snake has some good ones. I'll focus on the dair, Neutral A and f-tilt, and Forward Smash. | 2: Close Range moves. And Snake has some good ones. I'll focus on the dair, Neutral A and f-tilt, and Forward Smash. | ||
:A: Neutral A and F-Tilt. Snake's neutral A is useful for hitting opponents into mines or the Up Smash. Meanwhile, the F-Tilt has such a good [[Jab Fake]] that it has its own name: the Knee Lock. | :A: Neutral A and F-Tilt. Snake's neutral A is useful for hitting opponents into mines or the Up Smash. Meanwhile, the F-Tilt has such a good [[Jab Fake]] that it has its own name: the [[Knee Lock]]. | ||
:B: Forward Smash. Uncharged, it does 23 damage. ''WOW''. It is an awesome kill move. However, it is pretty slow - use it after your opponent does a laggy attack. | :B: Forward Smash. Uncharged, it does 23 damage. ''WOW''. It is an awesome kill move. However, it is pretty slow - use it after your opponent does a laggy attack. | ||
:C: Dair. It is awesome. 4 downwards kicks, the last of which has killing power. When next to your opponent, Short Hop and use it. It does a lot of damage if all hits connect. | :C: Dair. It is awesome. 4 downwards kicks, the last of which has killing power. When next to your opponent, Short Hop and use it. It does a lot of damage if all hits connect. | ||
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::In Smash, if it leaves Snake's collision hitbox, it's a projectile. But if you insist, he has 6 (not counting the box) attacks which can be a long distance away from him. Satisfied? And I said the Cypher was a projectile; I never said it was a good one. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 15:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Runer5h | ::In Smash, if it leaves Snake's collision hitbox, it's a projectile. But if you insist, he has 6 (not counting the box) attacks which can be a long distance away from him. Satisfied? And I said the Cypher was a projectile; I never said it was a good one. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] 15:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Runer5h | ||
Arguing about Snake's projectiles? What about the tier list I told you to see? Or was this argument started by the fact that he ranks 22nd on my tier list? While Snake can be a very versatile fighter if used properly, there are still plenty of fighters in Brawl who can beat him. Snake is slow and he doesn't jump that high. I find those to be reason enough to place him 22nd on my tier list. It's okay, though. At least he's not in the bottom tier, and he's also able to beat many people. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] 20:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC) | Arguing about Snake's projectiles? What about the tier list I told you to see? Or was this argument started by the fact that he ranks 22nd on my tier list? While Snake can be a very versatile fighter if used properly, there are still plenty of fighters in Brawl who can beat him. Snake is slow and he doesn't jump that high. I find those to be reason enough to place him 22nd on my tier list. It's okay, though. At least he's not in the bottom tier, and he's also able to beat many people. - [[User:GalaxiaD|GalaxiaD]] 20:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
I would like to bring up a point that will hopefully (but probably won't) end this disscussion. This quote from an unsigned user stated "Tiers DO exist. However tiers are NOT the same for everyone." everyone is going to have characters they are better with then other characters, but some people are just better with their own character then others are with theirs. and while this unsigned user referred to this as "tiers", it's really just personal preference. [[User:PeetzaLink|PeetzaLink]] 21:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC) | I would like to bring up a point that will hopefully (but probably won't) end this disscussion. This quote from an unsigned user stated "Tiers DO exist. However tiers are NOT the same for everyone." everyone is going to have characters they are better with then other characters, but some people are just better with their own character then others are with theirs. and while this unsigned user referred to this as "tiers", it's really just personal preference. [[User:PeetzaLink|PeetzaLink]] 21:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC) | ||