Editing Forum:3rd party controllers

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Do you think i should add a 3rd party controllers article to SmashWiki? I'm really just thinking whether a third party controller article is notable enough. Please leave your thoughts below. Thanks! [[Image:{{NameToIcon|Luigi}}Head{{#if:|{{{cl}}}}}{{#if:SSBM|{{#ifeq:SSBM|SSB4|SSB4-U|SSBM}}}}.png{{#if:16px|{{!}}16px}}|link={{#if:|{{{l}}}|Luigi{{#if:SSBM|&#32;({{#switch:SSBM|SSB4-U|SSB4-3=SSB4|#default=SSBM}})}}}}]][[User:Weegeegaming|'''<span style="color: green;">Weegeegaming</span>''']]|[[User talk:Weegeegaming|'''''<span style="color: red;">talk</span>''''']][[Image:{{NameToIcon|Luigi}}Head{{#if:|{{{cl}}}}}{{#if:SSBM|{{#ifeq:SSBM|SSB4|SSB4-U|SSBM}}}}.png{{#if:16px|{{!}}16px}}|link={{#if:|{{{l}}}|Luigi{{#if:SSBM|&#32;({{#switch:SSBM|SSB4-U|SSB4-3=SSB4|#default=SSBM}})}}}}]] 09:56, April 9, 2020 (EDT)

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==Oppose==
#'''Oppose''' As I stated in the comments of this, only the Smash Box and Hori Pad Mini are truly notable 3rd party controllers (I may be forgetting some, however). Speaking as a competitive smasher myself, 3rd party controllers are generally considered vastly inferior compared to 1st party due to being typically made of cheaper plastic as well as the buttons either tending to be not responsive enough or too responsive. As such, most 3rd party controllers are generally avoided and therefore have very little significance in the competitive scene. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:DisasterFlareSignatureImage.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:54, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Oppose''' Third party controllers aren't notable in the grand scheme of things. They may be widely used, but everyone also knows they're third party and don't really think anything of it. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:44, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Oppose''' I'd say no as per above. My hesitation before was how notable third party controllers are in terms of ''Smash'', but it seems like it's not that notable/used. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 15:44, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
#No, third party controllers are not used too much by people because they are made with a cheaper quality and the official controllers are more notable so we would easily forget some and they at most should have a section on an article but not a page. Its Ya Boy, [[Special:Contributions/MeleeBoi|MeleeBoi]] [[Image:{{NameToIcon|Isabelle}}Head{{#if:Blue|Blue}}{{#if:SSBU|{{#ifeq:SSBU|SSB4|SSB4-U|SSBU}}}}.png{{#if:12px|{{!}}12px}}|link={{#if:|{{{l}}}|Isabelle{{#if:SSBU|&#32;({{#switch:SSBU|SSB4-U|SSB4-3=SSB4|#default=SSBU}})}}}}]]
#'''Oppose''' Why do we need this? I don't get how third party controllers are notable, unless they're used in popular tournaments, which looking at other comments seems only a minority are used in tournaments. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>]]''' 18:42, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
#'''Oppose''' Third party controller are banned from tournaments. I looked at the tournament rules for controllers and I saw that Gamecube Controllers, and Nintendo Switch Pro Controllers. Competitors like [[MKLeo]] regularly use Gamecube Controllers in tournaments even though there are missing controller buttons. Controllers like PowerA controller that looks like a Gamecube controller, or a HORI Dragon Quest Slime controller. I really dont think this should be a neccesarry page to add since Third-Party controllers are banned from competitive play. [[User:S3AHAWK|S3AHAWK]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|talk]]) 02:01, April 18, 2020 (EDT)

==Conclusion==

==Comments==
Aside for use in competitive play, what significance does 3rd party controllers have in ''Smash''? The only one I can think of that has any use is [[Smash Box]], which has a page on here. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 10:28, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
:The only really notable 3rd party controllers I can think of are the Smash Box and the Hori Pad Mini. Outside of that, smashers to my knowledge avoid 3rd party controllers due to being overall cheaper and less reliable. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:DisasterFlareSignatureImage.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 12:51, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
::I think the notable 3rd party controllers should have a page, but yeah there probably aren't that many other than the ones mentioned above. For me, I actually use a controller brand called "8BitDo". [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''Naughty🐽GRAND DAD'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">自閉肥宅</span>'']] [[File:NiceGrand.jpeg|23x20px]] 13:01, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
:::Personally I think if ''any'' 3rd party controller needs to be mentioned somewhere, it's the Hori Pad Mini. It's considered the tournament standard controller for Smash 64 tournaments, so I'm surprised I haven't seen it pop up anywhere on the wiki. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px red">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Red;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px red">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:DisasterFlareSignatureImage.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 15:47, April 9, 2020 (EDT)
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