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Deletion of talk pages

Hi Miles. Just a heads-up, you can find a list of all talk pages on the wiki here. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 15:59, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Hi.

I would rather you used a different name on All is Brawl. You never asked the SmashWiki community's permission to use the name "Miles of SmashWiki"; permission which you should have sought because by using that name you are saying that you represent the SmashWiki community, and that means that everything you say is representative of the SmashWiki community's opinion on that matter. You are an elected representative of SmashWiki on SmashWiki, but not on AiB. PenguinofDeath 20:11, 4 March 2012 (EST)

That's in no way an implication I am making. I do not speak on behalf of SmashWiki and have never claimed to. Miles (talk) 20:29, 4 March 2012 (EST)

You are the only user with SmashWiki in their username though. After looking over the list of members in SmashWikidians group, you are the only member with SmashWiki in his/her username. When people look around, only links within profiles would reveal if they work on Smash Wiki or not (either that or someone who took the time to search through the member list). Now, some users are lazy asses, will not take the time to search through our profiles. Your nick just flat out tells everyone that you're a member of Smash Wiki. Being a supermod would put you in a "leadership" role, as it is not easy to become a supermod. Since you are a supermod there, an admin here, and have the SmashWiki title, users associate you with being out representative by default. Seeing the reputation you've got on AiB, I am willing to say that people are (I'm only speculating here) scared of you. As a result, they think the other users here are "abusive" people who give no reason for blocks (You only said "Consensus" as a reason for Hamek's permaban). I do not want people to think of us as the big bads of AiB and other sites. Other users also say that you are a bad representative on AiB. Seeing as how the SmashWiki part of your name is the main reason people would associate you with Smash Wiki, I would recommend that you change your nickname so that you will not give us a bad representation to newer members on AiB, seeing as how all the old members already know that you work here. MegaTron1XD 22:30, 4 March 2012 (EST)

That's like saying that people judge a city based on the fact that they don't like someone from that city. If somebody is so narrow-minded as to extend a personal dislike of me to the entirety of a site based on the fact that I have the site's name in my username, then that is their folly and I see no reason to change anything about myself based on their opinions. Miles (talk) 22:42, 4 March 2012 (EST)

But you're not just a person from a city, you're a leader of that city. Just like the president of the States represents the country and will thus influence foreign countries' perception of the country, an admin on this site will influence the perception of the site on other sites, especially one that parades the SmashWiki name in their username. Omega Tyrant 22:52, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Your comments have been noted. For the time being, I am not changing it. Miles (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Changing his name now could open a bigger can of worms; the uninformed masses would assume that he fell out of favour here, or is no longer part of us, or is just doing something for the purpose of trying to become less of an angry-schmuck magnet. Certainly not our decision, but best to leave it alone I say. Toomai Glittershine The Ghostbuster 22:59, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Really?

Changing the WikiStatus like that was not necessary or important. Do you really want to keep it up? The "Wombo Combo" is not that important. LightningBlue: Music is Power 00:20, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Look at the date, and gain some humor. Omega Tyrant 00:32, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Technically in California it isn't April Fool's Day for another hour and a half. Sorry man. LightningBlue: Music is Power 01:31, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

You are a Bully

Remove the Protection of CCD's age or else. It's not YOUR article, it's CCD's. He's going to be mighty cross, so have it how HE wants. 58.163.175.172 08:52, 18 April 2012 (EDT)--User was temp banned for this post

I know you

The real yoshi knows you from the MarioWiki. You use the same name Link PWNS (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2012 (EDT)

I only edit rarely on other NIWA wikis besides here and WikiBound, but yes, I use the same name on MarioWiki, Bulbapedia, etc. Miles (talk) 21:30, 2 May 2012 (EDT)

Brawl?

Prepare yourself. Mr. Anontalk 14:21, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

There's a decent chance I might be on later today. I'm quite out of practice, but if I do manage to get on I'll give wifi a try. Miles (talk)

Will you be on IRC when you are available? Thanks. Mr. Anontalk 15:28, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

I'll get on IRC at that point. Miles (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

Song

Just because it's common, that doesn't mean it's right. Toast ltimatum 21:41, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Unfortunately, when it comes to language, common things do become right. Toomai Glittershine The Victorious 21:50, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

"(by extension) any musical composition" Miles (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

The recent vandalism

Thank you for fixing that up; I was unable to do that with my rollback. DarkFox01BILL! 20:37, 13 April 2013 (EDT)

Had to do with the fact that the first two vandal edits were from an IP address, before they made an account to upload that image. I suggest using the history of the article in situations like that to revert vandal edits from more than one source. Thanks for keeping an eye out for vandals. Miles (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2013 (EDT)

Hookshot

Can you please delete the Hookshot redirect? RoyboyX Talk 20:19, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

You shouldn't be bugging admins asking them to delete pages; it's their job to check the pages tagged for deletion, and you should assume that they have already checked the category when they log in. If they have not, they probably are still deciding whether it's appropriate to delete it. Also take note of what Toomai Dots wrote in the reason. He said that he would like anyone to remove the tag if they objected to it, which means that an admin is probably waiting for responses. Awesome Cardinal 2000 21:36, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

That was Dots. BRAWLS OF FURY 21:42, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

I disagree with the move and am still on the fence about going through with it in spite of near-consensus. That is why I have yet to take action. Miles (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2013 (EDT)

The IP vandal

Are you sure he should only be blocked for 3 months? Just look at his contributions. Scr7 13:48, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

What do you mean "only"? That is far longer than the usual block time. IP addresses change frequently, so a different, good faith, editor could easily end up with this IP, which is why we don't permaban it. DoctorPain99 14:17, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Dr. Pain is correct. Miles (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Okay sorry, it's just that he was harassing me non-stop. Scr7 15:10, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

DP is right about the whole IP addresses change thing, because I made a contribution when I realized my IP changed. Which is why I made an account. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

Brawl

Would you like to brawl? If so, go on IRC. Scr7 03:41, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

Even had I seen this earlier, I probably would've declined. I'm atrocious at wifi and basically gave up on playing Brawl that way. Miles (talk) 12:03, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

I feel like you're missing the point.

What is the problem with linking to redirects? Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 16:10, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

I think it's less intuitive, and that it's a lot simpler to bypass redirects whenever it's possible. I do however recognize that I'm in the minority opinion here, so in making those templates I'm trying to compromise (for this specific context, anyway). I'd suggest using those whenever there's a link to one specific version of SSB4 as a modified version of the idea of a "redirect with possibilities" from that Wikipedia page. That way, if (probably when) we make separate pages for the two versions, we have to just change the template rather than manually relink things. Miles (talk) 16:17, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

That's not a bad thought process, but I think you overthought it a little. Here's how I would figure things would go if redirect becomes a page:

• Using the code [[page|redirect]]: all uses have to be changed
• Using your templates: only the template has to be changed, all relevant pages have to be purged if cached
• Using the code [[redirect]]: no uses have to be changed, no pages have to be purged

So the way I see it just using the redirects straight is the best idea. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 16:25, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

I doubt my opinion on this subject will become the majority one anytime soon, but I stand by my opinion that using redirects like that is significantly worse aesthetically speaking. Miles (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

Thank you

Thanks for deleting those bad file named redirects, and I apologize for my inconvenience. --MeMyselfAndI 11:45, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

No worries. That kind of stuff happens. I would recommend being a little more cautious in the future, but it wasn't that big a deal. Miles (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

Mario (SSBM)/Gallery

Hey can I move This page to Mario (SSBM)/Gallery. I've done the majority of the animations and no one opposed the idea in Forum:Proposals? Thank you very much. --MeMyselfAndI 14:00, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Go ahead. I might do some rearranging of it at some point, but it can be moved as it is. Miles (talk) 14:13, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

Replace template

Does there exist a replace template on the wiki? So that it can be used instead of the delete template? If not, can I create one? thanks --MeMyselfAndI 12:41, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

{{Lowquality}} is the closest we have. That'll work for what you were thinking, would be my guess. Miles (talk) 12:58, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

Deletion of those smasher articles

Notability not about whether you're ranked 22nd on a state's power ranking (especially if it's either NorCal or SoCal (I forget which one), two of the strongest Melee regions in the world). It's whether you have a significant impact (such as consistently placing well in tournaments of at least local level) in your Smash community. Awesome Cardinal 2000 18:23, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

I'm using my judgment call on the policy rule about what constitutes "some level of regional or national recognition". Unless they place very highly in a major tournament and/or are topping a power ranking, they don't really meet that criterion. Miles (talk) 19:01, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

If you were ranking them by placing "very highly in a major tournament" or "topping a power ranking", that includes a very small amount of players. "Some level of regional or national recgonition" means they can at least place well consistently in local tournaments, it's not all about where you're ranked on the power rankings or can place well at the biggest tournaments. If you can't properly judge what consists of notability then you should let someone else delete smasher articles. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:39, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

If you're talking about [[Smasher:Bone]], Nocturnal Dragon had posted a notability tag saying "we don't have anything about him on the powerrankings". I think ND has a decent enough track record on this wiki to call that a trustworthy observation. With the only claim to notability then refuted, the article had no legs to stand on. Toomai Glittershine The Golden 22:12, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

Then it seems like that article has a valid reason for deletion. However, what Miles said about being 22nd in a power ranking isn't enough is not a valid reason. Awesome Cardinal 2000 22:18, 12 October 2013 (EDT)

Redirect

When would be a good time to leave a redirect for any article? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 12:40, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

My opinions on the subject are apparently not the consensus-preferred policy. Ask Toom. Miles (talk) 12:56, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

Two Questions (and hello again)

1. Any suggestions for tasks I should do? I'm aware of the to-do list on the front page, but I'd rather not end up making edits to an article that end up being useless. Rather, given your knowledge of my actions in the past (both positive and negative, so I understand if menial tasks come to mind), do you have any suggestions as to where to start?

2. This is somewhat off-topic, and you don't really have to answer this (other than "This isn't the place to ask that kind of question"), but are people having difficulty logging in on AiB? I've been unable to access my account for some time, and I do not know if there has been any announced solutions, so I was just asking you in hopes of getting some information besides "Neal is incognito, so AiB is now a digital paperweight".

And I would say nice seeing you again, but I'm not sure if the feeling is mutual, so I'll refrain from assuming anything for now. MarioGalaxy^Talk 12:25, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Welcome back. As far as to-do stuff goes, I would say working on the things on the front page/on top of recent changes is usually a pretty safe bet. And as for AiB, I haven't been there in a long time. Once it became clear beyond a doubt that Neal wasn't going to do anything to fix the site's problems, I gave up on it. Miles (talk) 12:52, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Good to know. Any advice on what not to do? I know there aren't many editing restrictions at the moment, but again, I'd rather not push my luck. MarioGalaxy^Talk 13:30, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Well, I guess don't start making sweeping changes to multiple pages without bringing it up on a talk page first? Otherwise, common sense usually is about all it takes to stay out of trouble. Miles (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Just overlook the policy page, and review any policy you're not familiar with, as well as look over the updated SW:NOT.

Also, AiB seems to be pretty much dead. Omega Tyrant 14:26, 7 November 2013 (EST)

This is unrelated, but the Miiverse post for Marth's reveal is now available. Should the front page be updated to use that link like the other news updates? MarioGalaxy^Talk 14:42, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Miiverse links are only necessary when the text of the update is important. If it's obvious what the announcement is by the image, it's okay without the link. Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 14:54, 7 November 2013 (EST)

Not sure if I should make a new thread for this question, seeing as having back-to-back threads by the same person would probably take up space, but should an article for Air Dash Online be made (and I mean an article; like Project M, everything related to it would stay ON that one article)? MarioGalaxy^Talk 12:25, 8 November 2013 (EST)

I must admit, I don't know what that is. Either ask around to others who are more likely to know, or make the page in your userspace and then we can discuss moving it to the mainspace. Miles (talk) 14:24, 8 November 2013 (EST)

Get informed

Everyone who plays 64 knows the Rapetent refers to the tent in Hyrule. It's by far the most used name for it. Are you gonna forbid someone from creating the "Death by Rape" crew page because it has the word "rape" in it? It's called the rapetent, deal with it. If you really find that offensive, just move the article to a different title instead of deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenpachi (talk • contribs) 21:44

While I disapprove strongly of the name, I made clear that was a secondary reason for the page's deletion. We have a Greenhouse article already for the combo, and stage areas like the Fight Club generally do not warrant their own pages. Also, please sign your comments with ~~~~. Miles (talk) 22:58, 22 November 2013 (EST)

The Greenhouse article is about a mere Pikachu combo. The rapetent designs that entire area of the stage. Kenpachi (talk) 23:45, 22 November 2013 (EST)

It should still be merged onto the Hyrule Castle article anyways regardless of whether the name is offensive or not. Awesome Cardinal 2000 00:13, 23 November 2013 (EST)

Can you please restore the page so it can be kept/merged? Awesome Cardinal 2000 11:02, 30 November 2013 (EST)

It is not relevant. No. Miles (talk) 15:57, 30 November 2013 (EST)

I always thought people simply referred to it as "tent". This is really prominent on the wiki as well. Anyway, I believe it should be merged. Scr7(talk · contribs) 19:04, 30 November 2013 (EST)

"I made clear that was a secondary reason for the page's deletion. We have a Greenhouse article already for the combo, and stage areas like the Fight Club generally do not warrant their own pages."

Except we use common nicknames here for things like that, whether as the article title, or as a redirect. Additionally, the Greenhouse article did not have the useful information on it that the rapetent article did. And the fight club example you bring it up is a redirect here even. That is not a valid delete reason, if you think something like the greenhouse/rapetent doesn't deserve an article, then you can discuss on their talkpages about merging them with the Hyrule page, don't get uppity and just delete them. Omega Tyrant 22:38, 8 December 2013 (EST)

Additionally, it's fine and all if you're not involved in the competitive scene, and aren't knowledgeable about it. But don't go making knee-jerk deletions of competitive stuff and claim them to be non-notable. You should really stay just out of the competitive stuff, we don't need another situation like your constant deletion of Boss' smasher article happening again. Omega Tyrant 22:51, 8 December 2013 (EST)

You do not get to unilaterally decide that your assessment of notability is correct and mine is not. I'm tired of you acting like you can overrule every decision I make on this wiki. If you disagree with an action of mine and want to discuss it, go right ahead. But simply overturning actions that I take without even attempting to bring the community to consensus is a frustratingly vindictive approach. Miles (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2013 (EST)

"You do not get to unilaterally decide that your assessment of notability is correct and mine is not."

Except you have no real assessment? You can't just say "I don't like the name so it's not notable". Again, you can't declare something to be notable or not when you don't even interact with the Smash community nor do the most basic of research, especially when you don't even bother to give a reason for why it's non-notable beyond "I don't think it is". Just look up some Smashboards threads about the stage and you'll see the term "Rapetent" being used. Yeah I think the name is awful too and the word "rape" gets thrown around too casually by the Smash community, but we already made it clear on the Wiki that we are not censored, so an offensive name does not mean we don't recognise it.

And you have repeatedly demonstrated a sore lack of competitive knowledge and the inability to effectively judge notability. Again, must I bring up Boss, the best Luigi and Mario player in Brawl, who even had a video of him defeating Ally on his page, whose smasher article you deleted twice and the second time right after I already reverted you deletion, and then proceeded to tag for notability after the second deletion revert? Like I said dude, if you aren't going to interact with the competitive community and aren't going to bother to learn even the basics about it, then just stay out of the competitive stuff on the Wiki, so you stop making terrible knee-jerk deletions like these.

Additionally, the Rapetent article had useful information on it, that you just glance over and delete, instead of you know, at least moving the information to a more appropriate place before any deletion/redirecting the article.

"But simply overturning actions that I take without even attempting to bring the community to consensus is a frustratingly vindictive approach."

Except your actions here are clearly wrong, and you go and knee-jerk delete without going through a proper deletion process yourself for "consensus"? You know what the proper process is supposed to be for deleting an article that is not at all a clear-cut deletion case? You put a deletion tag on it, and then discuss it properly on its talk page. You don't just knee-jerk delete and then just claim "I'm right" afterward when multiple users, including the competitively knowledgeable admin, calls you out on it. Hell, Ack came on just asking if it could be recreated so it could be merged for the useful information on it, and you just reply with a flat "no".

You know, I'm reminded of this and this, where other admins had to call you before out on the shitty decisions you make on here and try to push as right even though you got no "consensus" supporting you. I always thought of you as a bad admin with questionable judgment and being to into their power, but did nothing about it as you were mostly harmless and were useful for basic janitorial duties at a time where the Wiki is short on admins. But then you go and keep doing stuff like this. I'm warning you now, if you keep this up, I will strongly consider officially starting a push for your demodding. Omega Tyrant 16:20, 9 December 2013 (EST)

You are baselessly attacking my record, OT. I have been an admin on SmashWiki for 5 years, OT. I'm not above admitting I've made mistakes, but you are accusing me in a way I simply do not deserve. You continually act as though you are my superior. You're not. And it's increasingly unreasonable of you to behave in the way you are. If you have some kind of problem with me, call in Toom to arbitrate. I'm not going to argue with you when you clearly have no interest in holding a civil discussion. A wall of text doesn't make you right. Miles (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2013 (EST)

"You are baselessly attacking my record, OT."

Except I'm not, as I already linked previous examples of your bad adminship? That's not "baseless", when some clear evidence has been presented.

"I have been an admin on SmashWiki for 5 years, OT."

Irrelevant, and this another problem with you, your constant appeals to authority, thinking just because you've been admin for a long time it makes you right. You can be an admin for forever, doesn't make the wrong actions you make any less wrong, and it doesn't make Sannse and the rest of the Wikia admins any less shitty at what they do.

"I'm not above admitting I've made mistakes"

Except you never do? Where was the admitting of wrong with the Boss debacle, or when PoD and Emmett told you knock it off with what you were doing in the previous linked examples?

"but you are accusing me in a way I simply do not deserve."

When you're doing what you're doing here, and what you have done in the past as the linked examples shown, it's certainly not "undeserved", and I can guarantee you many of the experienced users on here share the views I have expressed here.

"You continually act as though you are my superior."

I act as I'm your superior because I corrected a dumb thing you did and argued with you when you disputed just like I and other Wiki users do with each other regardless of their user class? You are the one acting superior here, with your knee-jerk deletion of an article you didn't like, completely ignoring the formal deletion process, and then refusing to listen to the other users here while just asserting you're right, until I came along and vetoed your action.

"And it's increasingly unreasonable of you to behave in the way you are."

So it's unreasonable of me to revert the clearly wrong action of another admin and chastise them for it, as well as tell them to stay away from an area of the Wiki they are clearly not nor interested in becoming knowledgeable about, but it's not unreasonable for you to keep making these knee-jerk deletions, completely ignoring the proper deletion procedure and all alternatives to deletion, and then adamantly refusing to back down on it until other admins get involved?

"I'm not going to argue with you when you clearly have no interest in holding a civil discussion."

Because this is totally not civil, right? I'm just here calling you names and insulting you, not putting my thoughts down here in a rational manner and backing them up, nope not doing that at all. Just because it goes against you does not mean it's not "civil".

"A wall of text doesn't make you right."

"I can't refute you, so instead of admitting fault, I'll just whine you're being mean and are not right, even though I present no refute in return".

An "admin of five years" should be able to back themselves up better than that, or just admit they're wrong and promise to improve themselves, instead of going on with whiny bullshit about how OT is so mean. Omega Tyrant 20:47, 9 December 2013 (EST)

I fully admit I screw up sometimes. You are the one continuing to pursue borderline personal attacks when I'm trying to drop the point. Accusing me of "whiny bullshit" and throwing around the idea of "starting a push for your demodding" isn't really an attempt at reconciliation, and you know that. It's an attempt at intimidation. I'm not impressed. Miles (talk) 21:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)

"I fully admit I screw up sometimes."

Ok, where is the admittance of wrong here, and the admittance of wrong for all the previous things, instead of just whining about being criticised?

"You are the one continuing to pursue borderline personal attacks when I'm trying to drop the point."

Except you aren't "trying to drop the point", when you just go and argue back, and then whine that I'm "being unreasonable". If you were "trying to drop the point", you would have just admitted wrong right away, or stopped responding altogether; continuing to argue back is not "trying to drop the point". And do you know what a personal attack is? Calling someone out for their poor adminship is not a "personal attack" and criticising them is not a "personal attack" in any form.

"Accusing me of "whiny bullshit" and throwing around the idea of "starting a push for your demodding" isn't really an attempt at reconciliation, and you know that. It's an attempt at intimidation. I'm not impressed."

Except it's clearly not intended to be an "attempt at reconciliation", with the former being a blunt summary of your lackluster response to me, and the latter frankly letting you know what will happen if you brush aside my criticism and keep on misusing your admin powers like you did here. Omega Tyrant 22:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Do you even understand the idea that I'm not interested in fighting with you? I apologize for the mistakes I make on this wiki. Everyone screws up sometimes. It happens. Doesn't mean you get to hold it over my head forever. Your attempts at bullying me are quite tiresome, and I encourage you to move on with your life. Miles (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Except you don't screw up just "sometimes", it keeps happening, it's not like this was a one-off mistake. Do you understand the idea of criticism and how to properly respond to it? You can't just pass criticism off as "bullying" and "personal attacks". Omega Tyrant 22:30, 9 December 2013 (EST)

I accepted the portion of what you presented that was reasonable constructive criticism. The rest was unnecessary and borderline spiteful. It's as simple as that. Miles (talk) 22:37, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Look you two we already have not enough staff and zero potential candidates, don't go creating an internal rift like this. Frankly I think you're both in the wrong here, so shut up and move on. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 22:45, 9 December 2013 (EST)

@Toomai: We shouldn't be tolerating bad admins that repeatedly misuse their admin tools while they seemingly don't give a care about it, simply because of a lack of admins, just like we wouldn't approve a subpar admin candidate's RfA regardless of the admins we have. The amount of active admins and potential candidates does not justify a current admin's subpar adminship, they impede the Wiki all the same regardless of the amount of admins. If you want to tell me what you think I'm wrong with, go ahead, I'll happily debate it with you.

@Miles: Except you never did accept any of it, and really, what part is "unnecessary" and "spiteful"? Because everything said here is about what you do wrong as an admin, and then about your own lackluster response to me. Omega Tyrant 23:06, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Project M Character Pages

I have a couple of questions. Damage not inclusive, if moves in Project M are identical to their Melee versions, can their names/descriptions be copy and pasted? Also, if there are aesthetic/cosmetic differences in the moves (for example, Roy's Blazer having a different animation based on a move from another character in a different game), should those go in the move descriptions or under a trivia section? While I don't have much experience in Project M yet, I have been watching and reading a fair amount on it, so I'd just like to know how I should go about adding info. MarioGalaxy^Talk 14:33, 25 November 2013 (EST)

I'm probably not the best person to ask. I opposed (and continue to oppose) covering Project M outside its own page and relevant tournament pages. Miles (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Well, who should I ask? Toomai? MarioGalaxy^Talk 14:41, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Toom or OT, probably. Miles (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2013 (EST)

Team Magma information

Upon some searching, I believe there is a reason to reconsider the deletion. While information on Mexico's competitive scene is difficult to obtain, a quick search indicates that Team Magma was the host of Smash-Mex 9, which can be verified as a major Mexican tournament. While my understanding of Spanish is next to null, videos like these appear to indicate that Team Magma does have a noticeable presence in the country's competitive scene. While this wiki should remain having standards for notability, I don't think it should be used as a reason to limit coverage of the scene in other countries. Mr. Anontalk 00:01, 12 December 2013 (EST)