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Game and Watch Wiki

Care to help after everything is planned? Forbidden7 21:21, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

I can help, but I can't host the wiki or anything like that. --Porplemontage (talk) 02:27, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

I understand. Forbidden7 08:36, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Do you happen to know of anyone who is willing and able to host? DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 14:51, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

What can you help us with btw.Also, you should archive soon. Forbidden7 PK AWESOME! 15:13, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

@Dr. Pain 99: Sorry, no. @Forbidden7: Pretty much answer any questions you have getting started and setting up the wiki. That's assuming you guys were hosting it. --Porplemontage (talk) 22:25, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Assuming we were hosting it, some of my questions are:

• Does hosting a site cost money?
• How do I get MediaWiki?
• What would being a developer give me exclusive access to?
• More questions to come...

Blindcolours Killin' it since 1999. 18:53, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

• • Yep, cost depends on how popular the site is. You can start of $5/month with a domain $10/year.
  • mw:Download
  • Shared hosting: FTP files, MySQL databases, a few perks like cron jobs and stats. Dedicated server: Everything on the server. --Porplemontage (talk) 18:57, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

Archiving

I'm starting to bug everyone about this. Forbidden7 PK AWESOME! 00:33, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

I usually wait until 100. --Porplemontage (talk) 00:35, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

O_o...I really don't think that's allowed here...not to boss you around or anything...but really...100kb? Forbidden7 PK AWESOME! 00:40, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

100 entries, sorry. Is there a rule on talk page length here? --Porplemontage (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

Yes, when it reaches around 32-40kb, you have to archive your talk.--PSIWolf (T • C • E) 06:42, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

It isn't a rule; it's a reccomendation... DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:17, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

Practically, you can have as much KB on any of your archives, But too much would be to long. ..... Any time your ready. Yes! 16:05, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

Since you're online...

I wanna ask yiu something. Can I made a page giving a list of what will happen if two same/similar moves being hit together at the same time? And do you know an article about a bubble thingy that shows up if a move is negated by using a move almost as strong?>_>Lucas-IV- OH MY PORK! 12:31, 14 August 2011 (EDT) thanks btw

I manage the technical side of the wiki; you should talk to the other admins. --Porplemontage (talk) 12:34, 14 August 2011 (EDT)

>_>i also hope other admins see thid page so I din't need to edit more...>_>Lucas-IV- OH MY PORK! 12:39, 14 August 2011 (EDT)

We already have a fleshed out and well written article on Priority. Omega Tyrant 13:42, 14 August 2011 (EDT)

yo

Is it necessary, when a user makes a edit, and months later, a another user paste the {{subst:welcome}} on their talk page? ..... Smash454 My life for Aiur! 19:44, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

You'll have to ask the user posting the welcome message. --Porplemontage (talk) 19:45, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Let it go ..... let it go. Blindcolours Game Boy 20:16, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

What happened?

When I upload a file, it appears to not exist and this error message appears:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "SearchMySQL::update". Database returned error "145: Table './ssbwiki_wiki/searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be

repaired (localhost)".

Did I miss something while I was gone or what?--PSIWolf (T • C • E) 09:37, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

I also meet the same page when I pressed the Random Page button! I even save the picture of it! Kirbythe Amazing Know my power! 09:56, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

It does not happen to Random page for me, but it does if I press "Go" in the search box.--PSIWolf (T • C • E) 09:58, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

I mean, it's only happened once Kirbythe Amazing Know my power! 10:12, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for telling me about this, fixed. Please let me know if it happens again. --Porplemontage (talk) 15:05, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Okay. Thanks for fixing it! What was the problem anyway?--PSIWolf (T • C • E) 15:05, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

I recently updated the wiki, and all I have to do was repair the crashed table. --Porplemontage (talk) 15:10, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Could you fix my userpage

So it doesn't look weird? Blindcolours Game Boy 17:30, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Thank you but they need to be higher(so it can be seen how it normally would.) Sorry to pester you. Blindcolours Game Boy 17:35, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

It's not possible to have it like that with the colors? That sucks...oh well.. thanks for helping! :) Blindcolours Game Boy 17:38, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

The shortcut template was killing it. --Porplemontage (talk) 17:45, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

I see...anyway, thank you! :) Blindcolours Game Boy 17:46, 20 August 2011 (EDT)

Sidebar missing

The sidebar seems to be in its default form instead of what's specified in MediaWiki:Sidebar. Toomai Glittershine The Steppin' 19:53, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

Likely because of the server downtime. Blindcolours Stop smiling, it makes me happy. 20:04, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

For future reference, just go to MediaWiki:Sidebar, hit edit, and hit save page. --Porplemontage (talk) 21:19, 5 September 2011 (EDT)

Special:ReplaceText

Where'd it go? I know we had it at some point. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 06:52, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

It's never going to stick around permanently because of how easily it can be abused. --Porplemontage (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

Wasn't it restricted to bureaucrats though? (Or maybe admins - either way normal members couldn't use it.) So abuse is rather unlikely. Unless you mean it can be easily hacked? Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 17:43, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

Bureaucrats don't need that kind of power on their plates. I've seen admins snap and I've seen accounts compromised. It's not worth it to have that tool lying around. --Porplemontage (talk) 19:28, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

I think that should be our decision, and our admins/bureaucrats here are trustworthy enough to have access to that tool. Any potential abuse of it is not going to be happening, and we need it to help with Wiki maintenance. Omega Tyrant 21:11, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

Of course no abuse should happen ever. Abuse only happens when it should not happen. It's a precaution. In addition, the load of finding/replacing in the whole database is too heavy on the server. It's not a standard tool, and I don't have it on any of my wikis to keep things operating as efficiently as possible. I have discretion over extensions to protect the wiki and to make sure we don't have any hogs. --Porplemontage (talk) 21:49, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

"Of course no abuse should happen ever. Abuse only happens when it should not happen. It's a precaution."

It's an unnecessary precaution. Admins/bureaucrats here are promoted with full trust to not abuse the tools granted to them. The current admin base is free of abuse (the only instances I can recall that can qualify as abuse are an unwarranted use of protection on a userpage, and a few permabans in inappropriate instances, which I would consider poor judgment calls rather than abuse). When you look at the history of the Wiki, the worst abuse of the admin tools were just unnecessarily harsh bans (which were tone down in all instances), with no admins ever demoted. Plus, I don't see any rational reason to believe the admins on here would consciously misuse this tool to abuse and vandalise.

Simply put, don't keep the tool away out of unwarranted paranoia.

"In addition, the load of finding/replacing in the whole database is too heavy on the server. It's not a standard tool, and I don't have it on any of my wikis to keep things operating as efficiently as possible."

Being a tool that would be used so infrequently, I don't see how this is an issue. It has only been used once so far months ago to get rid of an unneeded red link spread across the Wiki, where it was immensely helpful. And now we need it again to fix a user's signature that contains a moved image, so we can get rid of a useless redirect without causing a plethora of red links to sprout up. As you can see, this is a tool with demonstrable maintenance use.

For assurance, all uses of the tool will be discussed, to avoid unnecessary uses. Omega Tyrant 00:08, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

Have you thought about advocating that users switch to template-based signatures at Special:MyPage/sig such as on the MarioWiki? Benefits include having to remove broken links in one place and less clutter when editing discussion pages. What is the redirect in question which would be deleted? --Porplemontage (talk) 00:21, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

I'll edit our signature policy to recommend a template based signature, though it can not be forced.

The redirect in question is this, which was moved as the original name was in violation of SW:AIN.

The user being careless, did not listen to the warning to edit his signature to accommodate this change. Being a frequent poster on talk pages when not banned, his signature has been replicated over 100 times now, each with a link to this redirect we should not need, rather than directly to the image itself.

I'll also point out, the one previous use of Special:ReplaceText on this Wiki was not a signature related issue, in case you thought that (it was from an old user that has created hundreds of links to their smasher article on talk pages, a smasher page that has long since been deleted due to lack of notability). Omega Tyrant 01:05, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, the sig thing is a side-note for general improvement. There are only a few impressions, which I can take care of. But even if there were more, as pages/files are deleted, it's ok if old talk pages have red links. It's not worth using ReplaceText on the database to make sure that old talk page discussions are up to snuff. --Porplemontage (talk) 01:24, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

The reason to get rid of red links to pages we're never going to need is that they lower the utility of Special:WantedPages. Omega Tyrant 01:38, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

I understand. I think the difference here is how we each weigh the cost (heavy database replace, could be abused but would never happen) vs. the benefit (cleaner list). Your priority is the benefit and my concern is the cost. But I admit, I also like the clean list. Maybe you could give me one link each week or something and I can take care of it. --Porplemontage (talk) 01:56, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

Alright then, change the image link in Brandondorf9999's signatures from [[File:Lemsdadhead (SSBB).png]] to [[File:Lemsdadhead.png]]. With that done, we can delete the former without creating red links. Omega Tyrant 02:31, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

Awesome, before the weekend is over we'll be looking good. Possibly even Thursday. --Porplemontage (talk) 02:37, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

Did you change something today?

Because now all the tabs on the top of pages, the text in the categories bar, and the text in the sidebar are all centered. Also Recent Changes causes the tab to crash. Internet Explorer 8. Toomai Glittershine The SMASH-GINEER 19:08, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Good catch. --Porplemontage (talk) 19:14, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Never mind it's fixed now. Might have been that missing bracket on User:BlindColours/monobook.css that I fixed. Toomai Glittershine The Different 19:15, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Hi.

I heard you're the only person who can do anything about this. Thanks, PenguinofDeath 17:15, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

I'm not going to install that extension since it's not really necessary/beta. BUT you can customize the sidebar using your personal JavaScript. Take a look at this for an easy implementation/starting point. --Porplemontage (talk) 18:11, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Oh, cool. I'll get on that tomorrow. PenguinofDeath 18:17, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Now wait a tick

I noticed today that we now have two banner ads on every mainspace article for non-logged in users. While it's not my place to criticize the financial status of the wiki, I do have two questions about it - when did it happen and why were we not told about it? Toomai Glittershine The Ghostbuster 20:13, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

I noticed that too. Hopefully it doesn't start up pop-up windows. BlindColours o_0 20:15, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

They actually just started working today. What do you guys think? I'm seeing a bunch of video game-related ads come up, which is good. --Porplemontage (talk) 20:41, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Unless it's absolutely necessary, SmashWiki was and will be better without ads. Also, I'm not seeing as much video game related ads, the only one I see is a generic one with Super Smash Bros. 4 slapped on it. BlindColours o_0 23:21, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

The ads will vary from person to person, but I've seen Sonic, Smash Bros., Ratchet and Clank, Disney Universe, Civilization, Go Vacation, game design, and free-to-play game ads come up. Looks promising for offsetting costs. --Porplemontage (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

As undesirable as ads are BC, this hosting is not free. As such, the ads are a necessity, though you can be assured they won't reach Wikia levels. Omega Tyrant 00:23, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Navigate Away

Hey. I was at school today, making a big edit to List of SSBB Music (Star Fox series). I was making good progress, until one student in my class thought it would be funny to press Ctrl+F4 on my keyboard (he didn't realise the importance of what I was doing, and was sorry afterwards, but that's missing the point), and that button combination closes your internet browser (at least on Internet Explorer, School uses IE6. Yes, crappy old IE6. But again, that's missing the point.) And so, KAPOOF, my edit was gone without me getting to save. This made me realise that something could do to be improved on Article Editing.

If it's possible, it would help if when the browser/tab with SmashWiki on tries to close while you're editing (i.e. by accidentally clicking on the wrong tab to close, Ctrl+F4 pressing students), there could do to be a window pop-up saying "Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page? Yes/No". With this in place, if you do one of these things by accident, you haven't necessarily lost everything.

I hope you can implement this! ToastUltimatum Complaints Box 14:14, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

I'm honestly not a fan of those navigate-away boxes, and you have to admit that's a pretty weird case. First step would be researching if there's a decent MediaWiki extension or a MediaWiki setting for it. --Porplemontage (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

You could change your browser settings so that it asks you to confirm closing the window if you have more than one tab open. PenguinofDeath 17:20, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

IE6 doesn't have tabs. --Porplemontage (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

I'd like to add my opinion that I loathe those dialogs under any circumstance. Toomai Glittershine The Frivolous 18:21, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Feasibility of YT monetization

I just want to call your attention to this. Miles (talk) 17:26, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Not a bad idea, but that won't be necessary. We're covered now. --Porplemontage (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2011 (EDT)

Movefile for users

Based on Forum:Moving images, could you give all (autoconfirmed if possible?) users the ability to move files? Thanks. – Emmett 17:00, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

Sure. --Porplemontage (talk) 17:05, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

Wow, you're faster than I expected. O.o thanks! – Emmett 17:09, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

MediaWiki upgrades

How do you approach upgrades to MediaWiki around here? I heard it was bumped to 1.19 recently and we haven't changed, so I'm wondering how you decide when to do it. Toomai Glittershine The Irrepressible 16:50, 10 March 2012 (EST)

We're on 1.18.1; 1.19 hasn't been released yet. I'll update pretty quickly if it's just a new sub-version. When it's a new branch I'll give it some time as extensions get updated and bugs get worked-out. --Porplemontage (talk) 18:09, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Deprecated code page

When I'm not logged in, it says that Smashers as high alphabetically as Banks have deprecated code; when I'm logged in it's up to date, with the articles with deprecated code starting in the I's (I've been working on it today). What's up with this? Can you fix it, please? MeleeMarth01 20:19, 10 March 2012 (EST)

I've cleared the page cache. If there are still issues, point me to a specific example or screenshot(s). --Porplemontage (talk) 20:31, 10 March 2012 (EST)

The Multi-Upload feature

Could you activate it here like you did on DKWiki? --Havoc48 >:D!!! 17:36, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Sure. --Porplemontage (talk) 22:12, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Wanted image redirects

Currently Special:WantedFiles is being chocked by images that already exist as valid redirects. Is there a way to stop it? Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 00:00, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

I don't know of a configuration option to change that. I've submitted a bug report on it and maybe we'll find out if that's even intentional. --Porplemontage (talk) 00:44, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Okay then. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 09:23, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

<successfulupload>

Tried MultipleUpload; that was the title of the list of successful image links. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 09:23, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

It also thought that I uploaded an empty image and gave a warning due to a typo in the filename (as in, it contained a "&"); the image actually uploaded correctly. Toomai Glittershine The Emissary 09:27, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

As I told Havoc before activating it on the DKWiki, the extension is buggy and unmaintained (which is why it wasn't installed before he requested it). The choice is to either use it as-is or scrap it. --Porplemontage (talk) 12:07, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Media wiki sidebar

That page was protected and you edited it. Does that mean you are still an admin?68.34.113.98 19:15, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

Yeah. --Porplemontage (talk) 19:19, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

If an page is Protected, this usually means that non admin users cannot edit the page as it is too valuable to have wrong edits from non admin users to be put. ..... The Spectre 19:28, 26 March 2012 (EDT)

I didn't need info ...... 71.163.238.154 12:11, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

What are you trying to do?

I'm looking at your skin edits and all I can see is that article titles are now far too close to the tabs. If I didn't think that there may actually be a purpose to it when combined with later changes I'd revert it instantly. Toomai Glittershine The Yoshi 18:12, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

I hope you'll enjoy the skin edits which include less white space between the sitenotice and article header, and aligning the article icons with the article header rather than up near the sitenotice. In addition, formatting using tabs. --Porplemontage (talk) 18:23, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Well let us know when you're done with all that, because right now titles are basically colliding with tabs and it looks horrendous. Toomai Glittershine The Interspacial 18:30, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

We're good now. --Porplemontage (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Just wondering...

Was this wiki created from scratch (did you use godaddy.com)?--Avengingbandit 21:10, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Yes, it's created from a fresh MediaWiki install. I use GoDaddy for the domain but not the hosting. --Porplemontage (talk) 21:43, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

1. So since you installed MediaWiki here, you're the one hosting this wiki?
2. What would happen if a bureaucrat here demoted you to none and banned you (hypothetically)? Are you able to get your powers back?--Avengingbandit 21:51, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Double yes. I manage the wiki database. --Porplemontage (talk) 21:56, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Odd issue with undo link missing for certain edits

It seems that those who use Chrome do not see (undo) links in page history for edits with a one-line edit summary. Any idea what could be causing it? Toomai Glittershine The Brazen 19:58, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

Reported. --Porplemontage (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

CAPTCHA code

I made an account and confirmed my email, but I still get the CAPTCHA code prompt every time I try to edit a page (the answer to which is always "Brawl"). According to ToastUltimatum, this is abnormal - could you look into it please? Naked Snake 21:17, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

It will stop appearing after you've been here for 4 days and made 5 edits. --Porplemontage (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Oh, I see. I've made more than 5 edits but I have only been here for one day with an account. Thanks for the prompt response. Naked Snake 22:33, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Formulas

It would be nice to have the faculties to display mathematical formulas without going elsewhere and uploading a picture. Toomai Glittershine The Non-Toxic 11:10, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

It's not worth maintaining that extension and the pieces that go with it for the relatively few times that a new formula image is needed. --Porplemontage (talk) 11:29, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

Makes sense, just thought I'd ask. Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 12:56, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

Autoconfirmed Users

Hey I have a question. For a wiki, how do you change the requirements to have a user be auto-confirmed? For example on MarioWiki, they have you have 10 mainspace edits and be here for one week. I need to use this to fix our spambot issue on Icaruspedia. LightningBlue 19:11, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

The following config settings:

$wgAutoConfirmAge = 86400*7;
$wgAutoConfirmCount = 10;

[1] [2] --Porplemontage (talk) 19:18, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

Template nest depth

In making various colour-manipulation templates, I've run into cases of valid outputs being ignored and assumed to be 0. From what I can tell this is due to some limit on how deep the template nesting tree is. If so, what is this limit, and is it feasible to increase? If not, then what else could the problem be? Toomai Glittershine The Steppin' 22:12, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

It looks like the limit is 40 since I haven't changed that value from the default. Are you really using that many? --Porplemontage (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Could be in a stealthy way: {{hex2dec}} requires three subtemplates just to do one job and {{dec2hex}} needs one, and both need to use those subtemplates multiple times. If there were some extention to do those two functions natively I'm guessing we'd be fine, but I can't find anything easily (maybe my search terms just suck). Toomai Glittershine The Riotous 22:29, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

What exactly are you doing, and where will these templates be used? --Porplemontage (talk) 22:31, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

One thing is for colouring the value of the status indicator on a multi-point gradient scale, when that policy gets implemented. I have the framework and some tests here. The tier list templates would also become simpler. Toomai Glittershine The Inconceivable 22:38, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Keep in mind that using this system would mean that templates are recursed-through 40+ times each time a value is generated. That's a lot of extra CPU usage on the backend. Just from the load time of previewing that page, you can tell that a lot of work is being done. I'd look into an alternative such as a table of color values. --Porplemontage (talk) 22:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Beh I'll just scrap the status colour gradient then. Don't want an 800-entry table for something most people probably won't notice anyway. Toomai Glittershine The Zesty 22:56, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Japanese

When entering Japanese characters into the search box and pressing any of the two buttons, this happens: http://derpy.me/vPXME

That's obviously not supposed to happen.-- PSIWolf The one and only! 11:03, 25 August 2012 (EDT)

I also got this from searching Chansey's Romanized Japanese name "Rakkī" yet the redirect caught it when removing the line over the i. JamesHeartless 11:12, 25 August 2012 (EDT)

Ok, I fixed this. --Porplemontage (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2012 (EDT)

Thanks.-- PSIWolf The one and only! 11:56, 25 August 2012 (EDT)

"Probation" usergroup

It's been determined that having a usergroup that blocks userspace and forumspace would be more useful than locks and blocks for controling unhelpful users. I'd like to ask you create a usergroup named probation that revokes edit rights to the User: and Forum: namespaces (but not their talkspaces). If you have to create a new right to do this (which I suspect based on this) or something, that's okay.

Side note: This page could do with archiving. Toomai Glittershine The Incomperable 18:26, 7 September 2012 (EDT)