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Does anybody have a weight listing for the original Super Smash Bros.? {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 21:43, November 16, 2007 (EST) | Does anybody have a weight listing for the original Super Smash Bros.? {{User:MaskedMarth/sig}} 21:43, November 16, 2007 (EST) | ||
:I could I still have my SSB, but I don't know where to find the weight.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 21:46, November 16, 2007 (EST) | :I could I still have my SSB, but I don't know where to find the weight.--[[User:Fandangox|Fandangox]] 21:46, November 16, 2007 (EST) | ||
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OK, this is a mess. Why is there a discrepancy between this list and MrSilver's? Why do we have "weight classes" when we could list the exact values instead? Smash isn't Mario Kart. <font face="centaur">– [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 00:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | OK, this is a mess. Why is there a discrepancy between this list and MrSilver's? Why do we have "weight classes" when we could list the exact values instead? Smash isn't Mario Kart. <font face="centaur">– [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 00:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Feel free to fix. ;) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[ | :Feel free to fix. ;) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 00:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Will do. <font face="centaur">– [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 01:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | ::Will do. <font face="centaur">– [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 01:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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== Olimar == | == Olimar == | ||
I heard Olimar's weight changes depending on the number/type of Pikmin, so couldn't his place change, assuming this is true? | I heard Olimar's weight changes depending on the number/type of Pikmin, so couldn't his place change, assuming this is true? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Kill Maim|Kill Maim]] ([[User talk:Kill Maim|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kill Maim|contribs]]) 0:11, 9 August 2009</small> | ||
:If it were true, then yes, it would affect his place, but I doubt that it's true. When Olimar gets launched, his Pikmin follow him through the air, even if the attack didn't hit them, so it seems unlikely that they would affect his weight as no force has to act on them directly to move them. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | :If it were true, then yes, it would affect his place, but I doubt that it's true. When Olimar gets launched, his Pikmin follow him through the air, even if the attack didn't hit them, so it seems unlikely that they would affect his weight as no force has to act on them directly to move them. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::Without being able to induce exact numbers of knockback, Dedede's higher vertical survivability might be just attributed to taking lower knockback because he has a lower gravity. It's pretty much impossible to tell without the knockback formula. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 21:16, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | ::Without being able to induce exact numbers of knockback, Dedede's higher vertical survivability might be just attributed to taking lower knockback because he has a lower gravity. It's pretty much impossible to tell without the knockback formula. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Awesome 21:16, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::Then if that was the case, the heavier, but lower gravity Snake should be outlasting Dedede vertically. As such, falling speed is certainly more important in determining vertical endurance than gravity is. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:17, 24 August 2011 (EDT) | :::Then if that was the case, the heavier, but lower gravity Snake should be outlasting Dedede vertically. As such, falling speed is certainly more important in determining vertical endurance than gravity is. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:17, 24 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
Old conversation but possibly a (minor) new lead: The hackers think they've found a value for "vertical friction". Snake's is 0.005, Dedede's is 0.006. Marth and Link have comparatively low values (0.00375 and 0.0038); ZSS has an incredibly high value (0.5, next highest is Jigglypuff's 0.0375). Any of that match your testing? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Jiggy 16:11, 23 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:From looking at characters' vertical KO percentage, vertical friction wouldn't have a greater vertical impact than falling speed. Zamus gets KO'd vertically considerably sooner than Falco (while living just as long horizontally without DI/MC), despite being only 1 unit lighter, having lower gravity, and sustaining less knockback overall (with Falco's only significant advantage here being significantly faster falling speed). For Marth's low value, he survives as long as Toon Link vertically (and Toon Link outlives him horizontally). Toon Link sustains less knockback, though Marth falls considerably faster. | |||
:Before I make final conclusions though, I'll need Sheik's vertical friction stat. Her base vertical endurance is worse than what knockback sustained + falling speed would indicate (unless I made a mistake with her back when I did my momentum cancelling testing). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:17, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Sheik's "vertical friction" is a rather high 0.03, so yeah it doesn't seem like it has a correlation. | |||
::Now what about the details of this testing? If it involved fast falling, then yes it would make sense for (fast) falling speed to affect vertical endurance. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Metroid 11:03, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::The percentages looked at were gotten from pure vertical trajectories, with no DI or momentum cancelling (which means no fast falling). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 11:52, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
::::Did this testing include knockback values at all, or just KO percentages? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Loony 17:25, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::::[[Momentum cancelling#Character abilities chart]] | |||
:::::No knockback values are on there, though how much knockback each character sustains can be observed here [[Knockback#Knockback chart]]. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:34, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
== How? == | |||
Shouldn't there be a section to finding out how much someone weighs? [[User:King KirbyD|King KirbyD]] ([[User talk:King KirbyD|talk]]) 15:14, 23 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:The page already says how much everyone weighs, how does your question have any relevance? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 16:06, 23 March 2012 (EDT) | |||
:So you just gotta read the article to find out. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Autistic]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 17:35, 25 March 2012 (EDT) | |||