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::I just don't think this wiki should be so gatekeepy when it comes to content, it's not like PR's like this are a dime a dozen and I feel that it could be interesting to compare this PR to possible future PR's that attempt to do the same thing. [[User:JFMV763|JFMV763]] ([[User talk:JFMV763|talk]]) 19:50, February 16, 2021 (EST) | ::I just don't think this wiki should be so gatekeepy when it comes to content, it's not like PR's like this are a dime a dozen and I feel that it could be interesting to compare this PR to possible future PR's that attempt to do the same thing. [[User:JFMV763|JFMV763]] ([[User talk:JFMV763|talk]]) 19:50, February 16, 2021 (EST) | ||
:::There's a big difference between a ranking made by professionals that have strong community backing (such as tier lists), and a ranking made by some random person on reddit that had no influence among the competitive Smash community. Articles like this are no different from just some random person's userpage, which is what | :::There's a big difference between a ranking made by professionals that have strong community backing (such as tier lists), and a ranking made by some random person on reddit that had no influence among the competitive Smash community. Articles like this are no different from just some random person's userpage, which is what EagleRank literally is, except this somehow slipped into the mainspace. If let this stay then we might as well move my [[User:Omega Toad/Tier lists|casual tier list]] into the mainspace. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(BUP)</font>]]''' 19:57, February 16, 2021 (EST) | ||
:::: I don't see anyone else trying to make a ranking for Smash Wii U or a multi-game rank. By deleting these pages we lose parts of our history and discourage people from even attempting to make their own PR's. If you find it unvaluable that is fine but value is not something that is or should be universal. [[User:JFMV763|JFMV763]] ([[User talk:JFMV763|talk]]) 20:05, February 16, 2021 (EST) | :::: I don't see anyone else trying to make a ranking for Smash Wii U or a multi-game rank. By deleting these pages we lose parts of our history and discourage people from even attempting to make their own PR's. If you find it unvaluable that is fine but value is not something that is or should be universal. [[User:JFMV763|JFMV763]] ([[User talk:JFMV763|talk]]) 20:05, February 16, 2021 (EST) | ||
:::::Except that isn't something the Wiki gets to decide. Had said list suddenly gained major traction and actually saw usage outside of being a simple musing, then we would report on it. It's not like [[Greatest of all time]] which is a frequent discussion point among the community and is a big part of metagame development. The attention and relevance it has is the salient point: that's exactly why the Wiki is backing away from reporting on the SBR tier lists, because to the community they're worth almost as much as any fanmade tier list. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 20:13, February 16, 2021 (EST) | :::::Except that isn't something the Wiki gets to decide. Had said list suddenly gained major traction and actually saw usage outside of being a simple musing, then we would report on it. It's not like [[Greatest of all time]] which is a frequent discussion point among the community and is a big part of metagame development. The attention and relevance it has is the salient point: that's exactly why the Wiki is backing away from reporting on the SBR tier lists, because to the community they're worth almost as much as any fanmade tier list. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 20:13, February 16, 2021 (EST) | ||
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::I'm not sure how to exactly demonstrate Brawl community backing outside of my personal connections who've studied Brawl agreeing with it. The "current Brawl community" is essentially just the Ultimate community since Brawl has been abandoned outside of a few scattered discords to my knowledge. The most work I could personally do to back it with sources would take the kind of time & research designed to create it, and I'm not sure who to reference outside of 16bit and maybe Zan. The ranking itself seems to be backed at least by ADHD and Poyo, since the latter contributed with fact checks and the former gave responses and interviews. Mew2King was aware of it as well and did not seem to be critical. Former PG Staff Tetra, a major figure in Japan translations for Smash 4 who knew a ton about the scene, also regularly responded.[[User:Barnard's Loop|Barnard's Loop]] ([[User talk:Barnard's Loop|talk]]) 16:39, February 18, 2021 (EST) | ::I'm not sure how to exactly demonstrate Brawl community backing outside of my personal connections who've studied Brawl agreeing with it. The "current Brawl community" is essentially just the Ultimate community since Brawl has been abandoned outside of a few scattered discords to my knowledge. The most work I could personally do to back it with sources would take the kind of time & research designed to create it, and I'm not sure who to reference outside of 16bit and maybe Zan. The ranking itself seems to be backed at least by ADHD and Poyo, since the latter contributed with fact checks and the former gave responses and interviews. Mew2King was aware of it as well and did not seem to be critical. Former PG Staff Tetra, a major figure in Japan translations for Smash 4 who knew a ton about the scene, also regularly responded.[[User:Barnard's Loop|Barnard's Loop]] ([[User talk:Barnard's Loop|talk]]) 16:39, February 18, 2021 (EST) | ||
::::Can you get in contact with the Brawl Bois (i.e. the guys behind the 2018-19 SSBBRank) and see if they approve of RetroSSBBRank? If so, that would be enough for RetroSSBBRank to stay. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:47, February 19, 2021 (EST) | ::::Can you get in contact with the Brawl Bois (i.e. the guys behind the 2018-19 SSBBRank) and see if they approve of RetroSSBBRank? If so, that would be enough for RetroSSBBRank to stay. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:47, February 19, 2021 (EST) | ||
::::: I have messaged Gardex. I'll report back with any response. [[User:Barnard's Loop|Barnard's Loop]] ([[User talk:Barnard's Loop|talk]]) 21:07, February 19, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::::: Updates and sources are posted to the Retro SSBBRank talk page. Gardex, ADHD, Poyo, Luigisama, and seemingly everybody involved in Brawl sanctioned orange's project, considers the data to be good, contributed some to the project, and responded promptly to confirm. This should close the matter entirely. [[User:Barnard's Loop|Barnard's Loop]] ([[User talk:Barnard's Loop|talk]]) 16:29, February 20, 2021 (EST) | |||
:::::::Thank you, that will suffice. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 17:39, February 20, 2021 (EST) | |||
I mostly agree with the arguments for deletion. Hpwever, if this individuals work is of the highest standard and fills significant information gaps then it may be of value. Also, I don't think we need to worry about opening the floodgates to these kind of articles provided we require these to be of the highest quality and to be filling significant information gaps. All that said to say, for it to be notable it should either be accepted by the broader smash community (this isnt) or be accepted by enough notable smash researchers/historians (I don't know about this one). So for now I remain leaning towards deletion, but I do think their is an argument for keeping it. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 16:19, February 17, 2021 (EST) | I mostly agree with the arguments for deletion. Hpwever, if this individuals work is of the highest standard and fills significant information gaps then it may be of value. Also, I don't think we need to worry about opening the floodgates to these kind of articles provided we require these to be of the highest quality and to be filling significant information gaps. All that said to say, for it to be notable it should either be accepted by the broader smash community (this isnt) or be accepted by enough notable smash researchers/historians (I don't know about this one). So for now I remain leaning towards deletion, but I do think their is an argument for keeping it. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 16:19, February 17, 2021 (EST) | ||