Talk:Meteor smash/Archive 1: Difference between revisions

Is R.O.B.'s down aerial a Meteor Smash or a spike?. In his page, on section "Atributes" states: "with his D-air acting as a Meteor Smash", and on the section "Moveset" says that his D-air is: "yet slow, but powerful, and can spike,...". I also noticed that Squirtle and Pikachu aren't in the list. {{unsigned|189.153.152.213|22:49, 10 August 2009}}

One can argue the trajectory of a meteor smash but one cannot argue sheer numbers. A important aspect of meteor smashes is that they hit airborne opponents harder then grounded opponents. This applies to all meteor smashes except some [[Special Moves|special]] meteors and  Charizard's dair. In the case of the special meteors, they just don't hit grounded opponents as a meteor, such as the  Super Dedede Jump. In the case of Charizard, his dair actually hits grounded opponents harder. So I went and tested this on Ness's d-tilt against a 300% Jigglypuff. While on the ground, her launch speed was 1225mph. While on the ledge and in the air, her speed was again 1225mph. I boosted the damage ratio to 2.0 and again, all her launch sppeds were even at 2450mph. Just for comparision, I tested the launch speeds of Ness's dair, a well known meteor. Jigglypuff's speed on the ground was 9373mph. Her speed in the air and on the ledge was 12011 mph. As you can see, there is quite a difference. I also tested the launch speeds of Ganondorf's f-tilt, a well known semi-spike. Just like Ness's d-tilt, Jigglypuff's launch speed was the same on both the ground and in the air at 13023mph. As you can see, the ground/air law of meteor smashes doesn't apply to semi-spikes. All the data I collected indicates Ness's d-tilt is a semi-spike and not a meteor smash. Hopefully, this will be enough to convince you. [[User:Omega Tyrant|Omega Tyrant]] ([[User talk:Omega Tyrant|talk]]) 21:48, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Watch. His beam is a meteor smash. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIXOZHxFjhA. {{unsigned|Mr. Anon|00:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC)}}

:::::The definition is not fully correct. The definition of a meteor smash is an attack that sends the opponent downwards and can be meteor cancelled. The definition has nothing to do with the opponent being airborne, the meteor smash effect is just more significant on airborne opponents. Time and time again I'm seeing people ignore the meteor smash effect on grounded opponents. Meteor smashes still effect them, just in a different way from airborne opponents. They can't be sent downwards since the physics of ''Smash Bros.'' prevents them from being knocked back through the platform they're standing on, which instead causes them to be knocked upwards with less knockback than usual. If an attack has a hitbox designed to be a meteor smash, it should be listed, regardless of whether or not it can be landed on airborne opponents. Samus' u-tilt is a notable attack that has a meteor smash hitbox that can only be landed on grounded opponents in both ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''. For proof that it was a meteor smash, you would get the meteor smash bonus whenever you KO'd someone with it in ''Melee'' and behaves exactly like a meteor smash does on grounded opponents. While it can never meteor smash airborne opponents, the developers gave it a meteor smash hitbox and the game recognises it. If the game recognises it as a meteor smash, it is a meteor and therefore should be listed. The same would apply to Eruption. The game recognises that one hitbox as a meteor smash and it is not up to us what the game recognises it as. The game recognises it as a meteor smash and therefore it gets listed on our list of meteor smashes. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 13:16, August 27, 2010 (UTC)