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Perhaps this is not the right place, but there is no way Mewtwo's matchup with Bowser is 50:50. Mewtwo has a chaingrab on Bowser, and he can chain him up to %100. From there, a simple back throw will KO Bowser. I'd say Mewtwo has at least a 60:40 matchup against Bowser. Please move this to the right place if this doesn't belong here. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 05:58, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | Perhaps this is not the right place, but there is no way Mewtwo's matchup with Bowser is 50:50. Mewtwo has a chaingrab on Bowser, and he can chain him up to %100. From there, a simple back throw will KO Bowser. I'd say Mewtwo has at least a 60:40 matchup against Bowser. Please move this to the right place if this doesn't belong here. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 05:58, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:This is the stuff you talk about in forums, but I'll respond to your comment anyways. I believe you are underestimating Bowser. First off, Mewtwo can not chain throw Bowser any where close to 100%, the down throw is too strong to be able to chain throw for that long. Secondly, the up throw would be a much more effective finisher on Bowser as he is not a fast faller. Now Bowser has some good attacks in his arsenal. Bowser's fair, usually considered his best attack in ''Melee'', is much better than any of Mewtwo's aerials, and Mewtwo does not have a proper way to deal with it. Bowser also has the Whirling Fortress, his other great attack. It has only 5 frames of start up, along with very high base knockback. It does have low knockback scaling, but considering Mewtwo is so light and floaty, Mewtwo is going to be KOd by it once he has reached the 100% mark. While there is much more that goes into a matchup than this, you provided a simple reason as will I. The point is that Bowser's fair and Whirling Fortress are going to make a bigger impact on this matchup than Mewtwo's throws. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 13:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | :This is the stuff you talk about in forums, but I'll respond to your comment anyways. I believe you are underestimating Bowser. First off, Mewtwo can not chain throw Bowser any where close to 100%, the down throw is too strong to be able to chain throw for that long. Secondly, the up throw would be a much more effective finisher on Bowser as he is not a fast faller. Now Bowser has some good attacks in his arsenal. Bowser's fair, usually considered his best attack in ''Melee'', is much better than any of Mewtwo's aerials, and Mewtwo does not have a proper way to deal with it. Bowser also has the Whirling Fortress, his other great attack. It has only 5 frames of start up, along with very high base knockback. It does have low knockback scaling, but considering Mewtwo is so light and floaty, Mewtwo is going to be KOd by it once he has reached the 100% mark. While there is much more that goes into a matchup than this, you provided a simple reason as will I. The point is that Bowser's fair and Whirling Fortress are going to make a bigger impact on this matchup than Mewtwo's throws. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 13:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Um, Mewtwo '''can''' chain bowser to %100. I tried this on a level 9 CPU and it did not break free until 106%. Rather than doing the last D throw, anyone could simply use the Back or Up throw to finish Bowser, making it a Zero Death Combo. Mewtwo can also do this chain throw to other fast fallers, and this is why I think his tier position should be higher. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 16:30, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | |||